Discussion: Key House GOPer Can't Decipher Trump On Immigration: 'Who Really Knows?'

For the Republican party to maintain a majority in America, it must redefine what American means. When they capture two-thirds of the state houses (2018 at latest), they’ll be able to amend the Constitution to their hearts content :frowning:

Gosh, Mr. D-B!

You can’t figure out where Trump and your fellow Republicans stand on immigration?

Here, Let me give you a clue…

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What a sad sad picture!

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Also sprach Diaz-Balart:

“Math doesn’t lie," Diaz-Balart said. “If you are going to be the majority party, you are going to have to attract a majority of the American people."

Actually, Congressman, math can lie. Taken as a whole, GOP candidates for Congress have garnered fewer votes nationally than Democratic candidates at least since 2010. And yet, the GOP holds the majority in the House.

The math lies because the relevant math was done between 2010 and 2012 when Congressional districts nationwide were packed, cracked and Gerrymandered to dilute the votes of loyal Democrats.

So, fuck you very much, and I hope you get your ass whipped in November. I won’t get my wish, but it is my wish nonetheless.

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I’m going completely off topic here, but what’s with Turkey invading Syria? Last week Joe Biden apparently warned the Kurds to go back to the east side of the Euphrates after the US and Kurds had liberated Manbij. Since then Turkey, aligned with the FSA and Al Nusra (Al-Qaeda) has taken the initiative and pushed into Kurd territory. Now the Pentagon is asking WTF, and some are saying this is all about Erdogan family business, including the illicit oil trade. This is our NATO ally acting worse than Putin. De minimus, Joe Biden should explain what the hell he was thinking last week when he green-lighted the Turkish invasion. Turkey needs to be very clear about what it is doing, and it better not just be reopening smuggling routes.

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This guy needs to clean up his cesspool of a political party before he criticizes Hillary Clinton on immigration policy.

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That’s true about most things involving the operation of the government. It’s why liberalism works.

The thing is it makes differentiating candidates difficult, so the conservative movement came up with “why compromise with people who are wrong?” In other words, the conservative movement or Tea Party or Trumpian candidate is one — the only one — who believes in undilutable principles. Should any contender come close to those principles, the candidate just goes further right.

Until he or she gets elected. Then, one of two things happens: (a) they compromise, or (b) they can’t govern. Republicans are current at (b) with stacks of draft proposals on their desks that everybody agrees would work.

Conservatism is the enemy of the good.

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You can probably find some writing on the subject of the different Latino ethnic groups in the US and the conflicts over their respective politics. I grew up in PR in the 60s-70s and a lot of the kids of the first wave of Cuban exile were school mates and friends. The parents were pretty uniformly hard line, but the kids I grew up with not always so. My wife was an academic on Latino communities and language, and had several Cuban colleagues and friends who ran contrary to the general conservative image. I do remember that the young Cuban exile man who ran the PR travel agency that did packaged tours to Cuba (it was legal to go during the Carter presidency up to the Mariel boatlift) was shot to death in the late 70s and his murderer was never found.

There were also some well publicized incidents (at least in the PR community) involving Puerto Rican musicians who had performed in Cuba and whose appearances in Florida were either subjected to boycotts or threats by hard line groups.

I dont know how interested you would be, but one of the great modern Cuban writers, Jose Lezama Lima was gay, or at least very bisexual, as evidenced by his masterwork Paradiso. He basically lived out his life under house arrest and was not allowed to leave to join the rest of his family (sisters). There was a gay Cuban writer from the 1950s named Virgilio Pinera, he did not leave after the Revolution, but fatalistically stayed on,and gave a great speech announcing his fear of the coming repression at the Cuban artist/writers assembly where the Government representatives announced that all art must be “within the Revolution.” The darkness of the stories of his I have read made Kafka seem like Mary Poppins. This is one of my favorites.and it is very very short Insomia, Virgilio Pinera

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Build a wall…

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Original post deleted by author. After some thought, decided not to give negative Hillary ad ideas out to Republicans,

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[quote=“jacksonhts, post:28, topic:42631”]
I dont know how interested you would be, but one of the great modern Cuban writers, Jose Lezama Lima was gay, or at least very bisexual, as evidenced by his masterwork Paradiso
[/quote]Thank you for this suggestion. I just added it to my list of things to get next week. Much appreciated.

Yes - she has a transgendered child so she has “cover” in GOP world (though most deny that condition even exists) Sad.

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Ah, thank you – I was wondering about why she was so empathetic. I’m happy to have her on our side, but the empathy deficit for others seems to be a genetic trait in conservatives.

edited for grammar

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So the Good Congressman says," If you want to be the majority party, you have to attract the majority of the people."

How 20th century of him. Dose 't he understand that in Gerrymanderlandia you only have to draw district lines to concentrate your opponents into a few districts. Then you can, as the Republicans have deminstrated, win a majority of the House with a minority of the votes.

It is a brave new world Mr. Congressman. The party you support has suspended the rules of math and usurped authority and you are continuing to go along with them. That makes you as bad as the rest of your Republican tag -a-longs.

His heart wasn’t really in it. This entire interview sounded like it was given by someone who has reached, or is extremely close, to the zenith of frustrated resignation. His pet issue is one his entire party despises and now they have a candidate who gleefully demagogues the issue.

Its another example of how dysfunctional party loyalty has become in this country, to the point that actual issues simply don’t matter. This guy could no more consider supporting a Democrat or Democratic legislation then he could grow four legs and a tail and win the Kentucky Derby.

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The GOP has lost Hispanic voters for a a generation. That is because voters supporting GOP candidates have supported immigration policies espoused by Donald Trump and his kind. Hispanic voters will be wary of any GOP candidate, even one that is more supportive of a path to citizenship, because of GOP voters and a concern the GOP candidate will reverse his or her support.

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LOL (in a sad way). Well put. In some ways, I fear for our nation – it appears we have a long way to go, a dark and dangerous road to travel, with many unknowns … and we’re still not guaranteed a good outcome. Politics in this nation has reached a point where so many on the right/conservative side act like either the Hatfields and McCoys: they have no real understanding of why they’re fighting or what exactly they’re fighting about, except they’ve been told to hate the other side*.

*The other side is anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

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Great term…May I use?

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He should quit the House. He represents no one with his nonsensical double-talk.

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By all means. I’ve used it for years, can’t remember where I picked it up. It describes me better thang atheist and, depending on the person or crowd, better than agnostic. Yes, I am most definitely agnostic, but (for some reason) many use that as a description of “wishy-washy,” etc. – and I’m absolutely not wishy-washy. I know without a doubt our energy, our life force, moves on … in what fashion, I cannot say for certain. I strongly feel there is no such afterlife as described by many in Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. Outside of that, I don’t claim to have all the answers … like so many others. Personally, I pride myself on being honest in this respect because I’m not knowingly leading anyone on. So, yeah, non-theist is a good fit.

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