Discussion: Kelly Responds To Democrat's 'Disgrace To The Uniform' Criticism Over DACA

If the laws were as iron clad as Kelly tries to point out, then how is the enforcement of such laws so different in execution?

Also, and again the same question, if laws are what gives the executive the authority for execution, then why does the executor, be it the governor, or the Pres, get sued based on their actions?

The problem the Rep points out is that former Gen Kelly, is defending as the Homeland Security Chief, are choosing which Americans, which tourist, and which Visa holders to hold to further scrutiny, not based on legal definition, but by cultural definition. Cultures changes as do the opinions within culture.

Gen Kelly served his country with honor, but has aligned himself with an administration that wants to pick winners and losers based on a particular cultural view of America. This view represents the less part of the population (60 million) vs the larger part (63 million). In addition it ignores the current demographic trends of where the country is going. Also I would like to add that the vast majority of those that serve in our armed service come from legacy families and come from very modest wealth. Surely Kelly thinks their voices are important.


As my blessed mother used to say ‘empty barrels make the most noise.’”

I’ll just bet your mother was a warm and nurturing soul. Bless her heart.


“Every DOJ and DHS lawyer says DACA is unconstitutional,”

Every one. Every. Single. One.

So, Trumps EO Muslim ban is also unconstitutional?

“If lawmakers do not like the laws they’ve passed and
we are charged to enforce, then they should have the courage and skill
to change the laws. Otherwise they should shut up and support the men
and women on the front lines,” he said in a speech in April.

What does one have to do with the other?


Dear pathetic, disgraceful and now-thoroughly disgraced John:

Fuck you!

s/ America

P.S. You may check the Lost & Found for your reputation on your way out the door.
However, the chances of finding it are slim to none.


“Trump didn’t end DACA, the law did,” perhaps referring to a threat from multiple Republican attorneys general to include DACA into a larger lawsuit against the government.

Nine state attorneys general threatened to sue if DT did not end DACA. Fifteen state attorneys general actually sued after DT ended DACA. If that’s the best legal argument Kelly can come up with he would be better advised to parrot Huckabee and stick with “I’m not an attorney.”

Of course Kelly could have been referring to the law the GOP Congress passed ending DACA. Or maybe it was the Supreme Court decision that ruled DACA unconstitutional. Or maybe he should heed his own advice to "shut up and support the men and women on the front lines.” At least that falls within the realm of his personal experience.

[quote=“imkmu3, post:4, topic:62037”]
What does one have to do with the other?[/quote]

It’s another example of GOP logic:

If A, then B
Therefore, D.


Numerous top-of-the-line legal eagles, including Laurence Tribe, Preet Bharara et al., have said they likely wouldn’t have had a case simply because state attorneys general don’t have the power to infringe on (read: dictate) a POTUS’ executive action(s).

The 15 that are now suing are basing their cases on economic impact or some such.

The lawsuit claims Trump violated constitutional due process and equal-protection guarantees, as well as federal laws requiring certain procedures be followed before a complex program such as DACA is dismantled.
[source: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/washington-state-ag-bob-ferguson-says-states-to-sue-trump-over-daca/]


This is a power hungry tinpot general. He is the Trump-family owned general and henchman – part of a very dangerous, jingoistic junta that is running the country.

Kelly did not have the courage to say a word after Charlottesville. He has not said anything about the release of code-word national security secrets and military plans to the Russians. He continues to provide the President’s Daily Brief to a treasonous individual who has met repeatedly with Russian spies, money launderers and hackers and tried to set up a covert clandestine communication channel with the Kremlin via the Russian embassy.

Kelly in my opinion is taking advantage of his service. Kelly does not have an iota of moral courage or respect for America and the values it represents. Trump and Kelly share many of the same hateful ideology and values of bigotry and are working to implement it together.


All we had to do Mr. Kelly was to allow the case to be heard before the Supreme Court and determine the constitutionality of DACA via the route supplied by that same Constitution… the courts.

The beauty part Mr. Butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth Kelly of not allowing DACA to go all the way to the Supreme Court is that you can claim that DACA is unconstitutional without really finding out if it is.

As far as you being called a liar, you said, “Trump didn’t end DACA, the law did”. That is a lie. Donald Trump ended DACA. The “law” (ie: the Supreme Court) was not involved in that decision.


On November 19, 2014, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel determined that DACA was legal, and released a lengthy legal analysis of the issues raised by the program. No subsequent DOJ legal memo has been released refuting that original analysis. Within the last couple weeks, a hundred constitutional and immigration law professors released a letter reaching the same conclusion.

But, today, according to General Kelly, not a single lawyer at DOL or Homeland Security believes the program is constitutional. With that intemperate effort to intimidate career government lawyers, I’ve just lost a lot of respect for the general. Not only is he wrong, but he has shown himself to be intellectually lazy, with sloppy work habits. With all the great press he has gotten recently, I had expected better of him. Sad.


[quote=“tiowally, post:7, topic:62037”]
they likely wouldn’t have had a case[/quote]

The threatened suit from GOP state AGs was pure political theater to excite the rubes. It’s more hypocrisy from the party that espouses the Unitary Executive theory for all cases where they agree with the executive action. Otherwise the executive action is unconstitutional per se.


Thin skinned asshole. Fits right in with the rest of 'em. Fuck you and your horse, Kelly.


DACA is only unconstitutional if the entire concept of prosecutorial discretion is unconstitutional, which is a ludicrous notion. Deportations were at record levels under Obama. Do Republicans really want to argue that the Justice Department doesn’t have the ability to prioritize cases?

And by the way, Trump is deporting fewer people, including criminals, than Obama.


Hope he dies painfully. Screw this fucking cowardly lying son of a bitch.


“As my blessed mother used to say ‘empty barrels make the most noise.’”

The same can be said about empty heads.


I don’t think the GOP is attacking the entire concept of prosecutorial discretion. It’s only in the limited case of discretion exercised by a black AG at the behest of a black president. If you want to avoid a discussion of the racial animus of the GOP you can reach the same conclusion by substituting “Democratic” for “black.”


Idiotic comments so far about Gen. Kelly. His positions have been correct. He, as a Public Servant, is following the Law, regardless of whether it is right or wrong. It’s up to the Politicians-- the President, the Congress-- to correct said laws.

As an officeholder, you swear to uphold the Constitution, not its moral relevance.

Put the pressure where it belongs, on the President and the Congress to make the laws align with morality.


it would be inappropriate for me to say the same thing back

A hiss and a scratch by any other name…


We used to call that a lie, because that’s what it is.


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