Judge has frequently described his teenage alcoholism and described getting blackout drunk as a regular occurrence. All things considered, when he says ‘I don’t recall…’ I’m inclined to believe him.
I’m just not inclined to believe it means anything beyond indicating what unreliable witness he is.
Here is my thought on this:
Let us assume, inaccurately, that Senator Diane Feinstein timed her referral of the attempted rape allegation to throw an 11th Hour Monkey Wrench into the nomination. How could anyone, from fucking Donald Trump to fucking Chuck Grassley and Mitch McConnell, consider this anything other than brilliant guerrilla warfare or knife fighting? I mean after the GOP refused to vote on Obama’s eminently reasonable (age and ideology wise) nomination of Merrick Garland to replace Antonin Scalia? No one on the GOP side has any leg to stand on to attack Feinstein, even if her motivation had been totally about political fuckery. Not after the unremitting bad faith of the GOP Senate and House groups of the past 10 years.
The attacks on Diane Feinstein over this smack to me of the Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi hatred and bashing that have been the GOP and FOX daily bread going back for over a decade now, and which are in evidence on this board amongst those who claim that the entire existing leadership of the Democratic Party must step aside wholesale.
A letter like this signed by 65 people takes weeks at a minimum to pull together. So yeah, the Republicans knew.
Yup, that’s the line. How could they subject his girls to this!!! Responding Kavanaugh chose to parade his daughters and team of girls in front of the committee. Like props in a tv show. Tough.
I weep for you and my sisters
Not to single out you exclusively, but there is a lot of this thinking on the boards. Perhaps this is a touch CT? Todaay’s social networks, and school alumni networks for the wealthy and/or connected are very well tuned. Add in that no vetting is needed except dates in school and if you are still Popped Collar Proud and successful but heir measure. They likely just stopped at 65 because they though timing was was more impactful than rigour.
I am honored with a daughter, a psychologist, works with LGBT at risk youth. She’s 110 pounds in soaking wet winter clothes and I pity ANYONE that gets between her and a goal. I’ve seen, and heard of more men that withered under her steady, smiling, persistent pursuit of truth and justice than I would have thought just a few years ago. This is NOT going away, it’s getting stronger.
My two other children, though not in mental healthcare, are equally as adamant about social justice. They revolve their lives around the concept! I see it in their friends too, it’s why they supported Bernie so fervently. It’s THEIR generation people, so buckle up and get with the program, because it’s happening whether you approve or not.
And before the Bernie Baashers begin bleating their ridiculous homilies to Madam Overconfidence, please note that serious democratic operatives consider your outlook and actions unproductive…at best.
This is a good point. If they call a vote before letting Ms Ford testify, the optics will be terrible. OTOH, I have to believe that she’ll be a credible witness, and if she testifies, it’ll be a PR nightmare for Bart K. And the longer it goes on, the more likely other women who were assaulted at these parties will come out and testify.
Already, there are comments on TPM here from women who know women who were assaulted at these parties. Senator Turtle doesn’t have a lot of good options, especially this close to the midterms.
Wow! As soon as I heard Christine Ford’s story, it seemed entirely credible to me, having known some of the types in college. Partying and heavy drinking were part of the scene. I experienced a crotch grabbing moment in a car going home after a party on a first date! I told the guy to stop. He tried again, and again I said no. Fortunately there was a couple in the back seat. The guy in the back leaned over and asked what was going on, and that was the end of it.
Two things: Not all prep school boys fit the mold. The boy in the back seat was a good guy. Second, I never told anyone about what happened until many years later. At the time, I wondered what I had done wrong that led my date to try such a move. We had both been drinking at the party, and I blamed myself for that.
yes, to many.
And you recoil, close yourself up, like a turtle going into the shell.
The smile is gone, only to return later with no brilliance, no sparkle.
Keep low, someone may know…
yes, happened to many
Being too drunk to remember what happened doesn’t absolve a person of a crime last time I checked.
I remember jumping out of a car one night, running across a busy road and hiding in the trees miles from home because of an attack. Go ahead, Repubs, try and confirm an attempted rapist and watch your party lose even more of the woman’s vote.
Looks like the accuser was reading my posts. She has now identified herself. She will testify. Kavanaugh will have the opportunity to confront his accuser.
That is what I requested.
Odd comment. You say you hung out with Brett Kavanaugh’sand Mark Judge’s “crowd” for 10 years starting the summer you all graduated. This strikes me as a little odd because most high school students from prep school go to college, and most kids who go to college gravitate towards their college friends. I would guess they might get back together during breaks, and certainly if they all found their way back to D.C. they might start hanging out together again. But 10 years is a long time.
Speaking of 10 years, the social immaturity of an all-boys school would have been overcome after a couple of years in college. So that would only be two of the 10 years. And honestly, what were these 22-28 year olds doing after college that they continued to have bender parties?
Now if a group of them all went to Georgetown, and continued to hang out together, it makes more sense. At least for 4 years, until 1987.
But a holiday party in 1993 full of 28 year-olds? Seems strange. I have been around some crazy and immature people in my 20s. I was in the military and stationed overseas. But by 28 most everyone had moved on from that. Enough for one or two outliers, but not enough to throw a party.
But also throwing in “Misogyny” and “Patriarchal” seems a little odd. And “roughhousing”. That was a word Mark Judge used in recent comments.
Thanks, but this just seems odd. If you hung out with the same crowd for 10 years you know names, lots of them. Come forward. Not just you. And name names.
That was something I wondered about until I read Dr.Fird’s letter. As I posted earlier:
I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.
Pretty much puts paid to Judge’s claim that he has no recollection of Kavanaugh doing any such thing.
He has to have known this was possible. And none the less brought his kids front and center.
We need the dates that this letter was assembled. If it was before the letter leaked the GOP has to explain how they knew. If this were just generally about supporting the nominee they would have had both men and women signing.
If BK didn’t give them a head’s up were they bugging Feinstein’s office?
Just a few thoughts from someone who partied a lot more in and after college than those of his friends in the military did.
Hanging with people “over holidays” for 10 years after high school is almost de riguer. Not, as you suggested, the same thing as hanging out all year every year for 10 years; holidays are when the college friends disperse to see family and old friends. I think you misconstrued the comment, and that misapprehension colored your thoughts on what was written.
In my admittedly limited experience, social immaturity among the fairly well off often evolves into privilege. The self-conscious looking down the nose becomes a habit rather than affectation.
And, in 1993, college town parties were full of 28 year olds, all the time. (And 24 and 32, etc. Lots of people hanging out, partying.)
I think we are talking suburban D.C., not a college town. And yes, there are some serious parties in D.C., at ages beyond 28. But I doubt they are just former preppies. The crowd tends to broaden as the years go on. Fewer and fewer high school chums (replaced with frat brothers, etc.), then fewer and fewer college chums (replaced with work associations). And the parties invariably start to decline as people either get married or get into serious relationships.
They see things falling apart and are trying anything they can think of to ram the nomination through and get their SC majority before all hell breaks loose.
I’m not so sure – they want to keep their jobs. Self-preservation is priority number one – not court-packing. Besides, if they survive the mid-terms, they can find another right-wing asshole who does not have the enormous stink on him that emanates from Kavanaugh. The Repubs are so underwater with suburban woman, and they read the polls. They know it.