Discussion: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Places Blame On Sterling's Girlfriend For 'Cajoling' Him Into Racist Comments

Perhaps never is better than late. Or something.

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He’s a Muslim. :wink:

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Before it was cool…

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There’s a superficial comparison to Rush and Trump, but if you look carefully at what Abdul-Jabbar says he’s making a good point. Anyone who listens to the whole tape knows that Stiviano has an agenda: she wants to get Sterling to repeat while she’s taping the things he’s said to her before. Abdul-Jabbar makes the unequivocal point that there is no room for racism in the NBA and that Sterling should lose his franchise. He also notes, correctly, that Sterling’s racism was a matter of public record before this tape was released. And while I’m not a lawyer, I do think the law in California prohibits taping a phone conversation without the consent of both parties.

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I have a lot of respect for Kareem, but seriously, is it somehow my fault that I didn’t do research into the seamy underbellies of all the NBA owners before last weekend? What I’m saying is yes, it was news to me, and apparently a lot of other rather plugged-in people around the country. And I don’t necessarily fault The Media (gawd, I hate that generic overused epithet) for not making Sterling news item #1 before this latest episode.

And no, nobody involved in this whole thing looks good. But some people do look a lot worse than others. If someone has broken the law here, sure, let’s prosecute. But let’s also not pretend that Sterling was some angelic pawn in all this. The guy is a grade-A jerk with a contemptuous philosophy and view of his fellow man, and legalistic blame-shifting isn’t going to unshit the bed.

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Of course we need to be vigilant about racism, but I can’t ignore pretty overt sexism. I also don’t agree with that point that because everyone should’ve known, we somehow shouldn’t be making a big deal of it now. The folks who knew and said nothing quite likely had their reasons. I suspect it was because they saw what happened to those in the league who spoke out against him. But this is what often happens. Someone in the public eye who is seen as powerful is given a pass for a variety of reasons despite ā€œeveryoneā€ knowing about their behavior. When the bad behavior is finally revealed, a bunch of people come forward with tales of mistreatment (some true, some BS), a bunch of other folks come forward saying ā€œeverybodyā€ knew this was going on and then question why it’s news.

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He’s thinking dialectically. Which more people should do. There are periods when he’s talking about the girlfriend when I’m flinching, thinking he’s about to say, ā€œIt’s the bitch’s faultā€ when he says he’s really mad that it took this story, at this time, to get people to notice. It’s the Internet, Kareem. While this story is alive, right now, young people hear about the stuff you’ve known for a while for the first time. I think the thing about Sterling to me is that he thinks it’s ā€œjust business.ā€

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I do think the backstory to this tape is that Sterling had made similar comments to Stiviano in the past and she wanted him to repeat them with the tape recorder running. Several of her questions sounded like she had a pretty good idea of what kind of answer she was going to get.

I don’t think there’s a huge problem with that, because she had reasons to want to expose him. She may, however, have broken the law. I’m not sure about that last point.

Nope, California is a two-party state. The person who made the recording, V. Stiviano, broke the law unless Stirling knew he was being recorded. In fact, she claims that he did know because his memory is bad and so we wanted things recorded so he could review them if he needed to. I kinda doubt that, but that is what she is going with.

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This was a phone conversation? Or were they simply together with her phone set to record? This might be a situation where the law has not kept up with technology, but these statutes get interpreted very narrowly.

Time to add SAT-type words to your written vocabulary.

No, it seemed like a natural dialogue

It very much sounds to me like they’re in the same room. It sounds like a large, un-carpeted room and the recording device was out in a public place because both can be heard speaking so clearly. It doesn’t sound like it’s in a purse or a pocket. We all know what a butt-dialed/purse-dialed voicemail sounds like.

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Wow, he was all over the place with his comments. Came out of it with a lot of poo on himself, because dove headfirst into a few shitty places.

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Okay, how old is the owner and he’s still not expected to be adult enough to be responsible for his own words and actions? ā€œEveā€ seduced him?

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Oh give me a break! Neither Sterling nor his former main squeeze are even remotely noble. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what each wanted from the other. And the fact is, she may be in some deep doo-doo regarding privacy laws. The legality and accepted protocol for recording private phone calls varies from state to state.

That said, whether she ā€œcajoledā€ him, or as He Who Wears the Dead Rat on His Head claims, she ā€œset him upā€, the reality is that he’s been broadly exposed for the racist he’s always been.

Who knows what her goal really was — and I’m sure it was totally self-serving — but she’s done a public good even if unintentionally.

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Classic Plucky - it’s all about the ā€˜isms’!
ā€œOvert sexismā€. Sterling’s girlfriend is just along for the ride ($$$). About as close to a high class hooker as you can get.

And OMG, RACISM! The big swoon, some one please get me the vapors. A couple of old racist coots (Bundy/Sterling) dominate the news for 10 days giving the president about two weeks of cover. Meanwhile, black unemployment still up there at 15%+ and this president doesn’t seem to give a damn about white black or brown.

As in ā€œI was misquoted!ā€

I think Kareem should leave the lawyerin’ to actual lawyers re: ā€œgoing to prisonā€ for recording/releaseing the tape.

Did Obama secretly veto a Republican jobs bill that I missed?

I mean, like after they blocked every one of his job initiatives and cut unemployment just to throw salt in the wound?

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