Tiresome
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Carney was a fine political reporter for Time before he became press secretary.
He has a great grasp of the facts on most subjects.
McCain canât even remember that it was Bush who negotiated and signed the Status of Forces agreement with his hand-picked Iraqi governmentâa government that refused to grant legal immunity to a residual American military force, which is why there were no combat troops left in Iraq.
McCain is an embarrassment to the entire Senate, to the nation, and to himself.
Sadly, he cannot recognize those facts.
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I watched this live. McCain was invited to discuss but was on there specifically to go after Jay Carney. Newt Gingrich was on there immediately prior and didnât give any party lines.
When Jay was allowed to retort he gave valid responses. Near the end Jay tried to interject saying the troop withdrawal plan was Bushâs, not President Obamaâs. That in of itself would have been a weak argument because as soon as Obama was in office he could have stopped the withdrawal plans. However, there was this nice tweet by McCain calling Iraq a victory and praising Bush on the troop withdrawal. Would have been great if he actually had a chance to bring that up.
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Iâll bet Carney must have LOVED the fact that he was finally able to make a stupid fart/fuck like Sen. Abe Simpson eat shit on national television.
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He selectively remembered enough to tweet how US troops were leaving Iraq and that Bush deserved credit.
Last American combat troops leave Iraq. I think President George W. Bush deserves some credit for victory.
â John McCain (@SenJohnMcCain) August 19, 2010
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This is the ultimate purpose of the Powers That Be eliminating the Military Draft in the 1970s.
By removing young people from military service AS A GROUP, it also had de-sensitized and de-politicized them. Only a group of people with no fear of Military Service would be so callow as to play the kinds of videogames in which the advertising campaign would say to a pimply-faced, pot-bellied 20-year old Thumb-Warrior, âThereâs a Soldier Inside Every One of Usâ.
Certainly, McCain would never be allowed to comment on anything dealing with military policy, him having supported the Bush Iraq Debacle. There would be so many former draftees, present and future draftees wanting scalp McCain for saying ANYTHING using the term âwarâ.
Of course, if it was me, I would have said the following to Sen. Dumbfuck:
âI have only two things to say to you Senator McCain: 1.) Savings and Loan, and 2.) Sarah Palin.â
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Of course John MCCain conveniently forgets that Iraq insisted that we leave.
If anyone can remember a time when John McCain has ever been right on a foreign policy issue would they please post a link to it.
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Oh dear. That was embarrassing. âWe had it won! We had it won!â Heâs a true believer holding on to the dream â even singing the old hymns that he and his brethren sang back in the 2000s when he was still vigorous and powerful â that a liberated and stable Iraq was just around the corner!! We promise!
If only, if only, if onlyâŚ
Jay Carney was trying to be gentle and respectful, but that was just pitiful.
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When Carney said âhe was elected president,â I think he got to the heart of McCainâs beef with the whole thing.
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Itâs definitely not chemo brain, I have that for the second time or I guess itâs more like adding on to the first time.
Anger is not part of the deal, that is just McCainâs default mode and his shield against a reasonable debate. Itâs a tactic.
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Interesting to watch McCain easily chew through the statements of Obamaâs former press secretary while his own revisionist talking points go unchallenged. Carney may be able to craft a message and refuse from deviating at a podium, but this âdebateâ is lopsided through Carneyâs own deference.
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Why punish the other residents in that home??
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In the end, the presidentâs strategy will get similar results to the other foreign policy crises heâs tackled. It will result in minimal loss of U.S. life and treasure, and will achieve its objective, while McCain et al find something else to grouse about.
And the networks will treat these people who got us into this mess in the first place with the same credulity that they always have.
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Being a neocon means never having to say youâre sorry.
McCain, I believe, is allowed to speak so that we do not forget what the neocons are and always will be. The contrast is very clear and perfect considering if we didnât get President Obama, we wouldâve had President angry, getting angrier and his half wit running mate.
This, my friends, is why we vote and why we care. Because it matters greatly, because the other team thinks that wars are good governance and good economics and they donât care about us, the warriors.
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Wow, good recall TrumpDog. He probably didnât tweet that himself â it was probably a staffer just trying to grab a little of the momentâs significance out of President Obamaâs sphere; but still, it reminds us of his rank political opportunism smoldering beneath all the passionate bluster.
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McWar was sunsettingâŚPerhaps they should get him on early in the day instead of late at night when he loses more of his faculties. Lord knows these shows have no problem trotting him out on all things WAR on an almost daily basis. Stick to daylight hours. Iâm sure youâll just happen to have an opening for him this Sunday.
The only inconvenient truth is that McWar canât accept he lost the Presidency to Obama, primarily over the issue of getting us out of Iraq, which the American people wanted whole-heartedly. Besides, McWar was incompetent in recognizing how Bush threw the economy into a tailspin, which was on its way to crippling the world economy, and he and his VP pick had no viable solutions other than suspending his campaign to run to DC to showboatâŚHe is very good at that showboating.
The âgood rebelsâ he and the media like to frame as moderate are an amalgam of other jihadi groups that are in one way or another associated with, or sympathetic to Al Qaeda for the most part, with the difference being that some of them hate Assad more than we do. Even many of the Iraqi Sunni Baâathists that joined ISIS were once fellow Baâathists to the Assad regime, though Assad is an Alawite, and a Shiâite. Is that confusing enough?
So all of this slicing and dicing by tribe, religious sect, familial lineage among âthe loyal oppositionâ is real tricky business if youâre looking for just the right group to form an army, get enough of them, and conclude they are âthe good rebelsâ. McWar has a very limited set of knowledge about the region and has a very Americanized ethnocentric view of how to distinguish good guys from the bad guys. They donât wear white and black cowboy hats there Johnny.
The one thing youâll never hear him say is that we never should have gone into Iraq in the first place based on false intelligence, because then heâd have to admit to why weâre in the mess we are today with these jihadis and ISIS. ISIS did not exist before we invaded Iraq. If Carny wanted to take Johnny downâŚthatâs all he needed to say. Sadly, McWar and the corporate media would like nothing better than to do it all over againâŚ
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During George W. Bush and Dick Cheneyâs âReign of Terrorâ
2,753 Citizens killed in the World Trade Center in 2001
179 Citizens/Employees killed in the Pentagon in 2001
44 Citizens killed in Flight 93 over Shanksville, PA in 2001
4,804 Coalition troops killed in Iraq
3,305 Coalition troops killed in Afghanistan
750,000 Iraqi citizens dead
7,559 Afghan citizens dead
325 Military suicides
11 U. S. Embassies attacked
60 American killed in U. S. Embassies
0 (ZERO) Republicans in Congress outrage
0 (ZERO Congressional hearings investigating Bush and Cheney
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the argument that you have made for a long time, sir, that we should leave troops in Iraq in perpetuity
Are you really âwinning at the trackâ when you bet on every horse in every race?
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I wish you the very best and very much hope youâre able to beat it.
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