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I worked for Raytheon during the first Gulf war and remember how the patriot āscudbustersā turned out to be an epic fail. (after the fact) It wouldnāt surprise me if the Iron Dome system is too.
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They can believe what they want but we donāt have to pay for it.
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I donāt have to read the article. Iād say the results in lives not lost speak for themselves.
I eat three vodka-soaked raisins every day, and havenāt been struck by a falling meteorite since I started doing so. The results speak for themselves.
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This isnāt about actually protecting people. Its about the āperceptionā that people are being protected.
This is all about keeping Israelās morale up. Too bad it doesnāt help their shitty morality.
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Exactly. You win the thread.
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The short answer is: No. Iron Dome does not work. Missile defense systems only work in tests when the interceptor knows the exact telemetry of the target missile. All the rest of the claims are pure noise spouted by someone who wants to sell either missiles or a false sense of security.
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This money could have been better spent putting an Iron Dome and no fly-zone over/around Texas. Probably need to make some airdrops to our fellow libs there, until thereās regime change in Texas.
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Please donāt let any facts get in the way of your feelings. The Gazan rockets have no aiming capability so that is the biggest factor in number of lives lost, not the anti-missile boondoggle. This is the Patriot System all over again. Wartime āresults.ā Post-hoc truth.
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So, Israeli casualties are low due to bomb shelters and the low quality of the missiles and their explosives used by Hamas; but claiming Israel has an āIron Domeā sounds much cooler and is infinitely more impressive.
Sort of like saying nobody messes with the U.S. because we have the biggest, baddest military in the world. As long as you donāt note it didnāt stop the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, the attacks in Libya (Benghazi!), 9/11, or lead to the stabilization and control of either Iran or Afghanistan.
Israel is fortunate in its remaining militant enemies (having proven, yes, to Egypt and other countries Israel is not to be trifled with; then again, when did Saudi Arabia ever have an army as vast as its oil reserves?). It is not magically protected by technology, any more than the continental U.S. is magically protected by our military power. The more logical answer is the U.S. just doesnāt have that many enemies with the power and desire to invade the continent.
And Israel would probably be better off turning itās energies to reconciliation with its neighbors, instead of military and economic dominance of small pieces of land.
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Well, if you read the article you would know even that statistic is not what it seems.
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But Iām sure they were a boon for Raytheonās profit margin and balance sheet.
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It seems like the easiest, most fool-/tamper-proof way to judge would be to count the number of times something that was targeted by an interceptor actually explodes on the ground. Surely that information is available somewhere.
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Post Action studies proved the āPatriotā actually CAUSED the largest loss of American lives in the entire Gulf War One.
It only knocked a scud missile off-target by breaking it up where the pieces then tumbled to the ground and exploded on contact in an American barracks killing scores.
If the āPatriotā had not been fired that the SCUD would have landed in an open field and not done any damage at all (like 85% of them did.)
The āPatriotā was however a MASSIVE sales success with hundred of millions of profit for the manufacturer.
The Israelis studied the data and concluded they would NOT buy the Patriot but develop their own system, which suffers from the exact same issues (but it is THEIR SYSTEM so they cannot criticize it.)
They are doing what we usually do. Try to knock out a $200, kitchen-table-built, inaccurate, and tactically useless weapon with a multi-million-dollar silver-bullet.
Remember Israel has a MASSIVE arms industry (#8 globaly) to support and promote politically.
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Someone on this thread needs to leave an āattaboyā to Dylan for his excellent report, and to Josh for the assignment. Well done, both
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Not just keeping morale up. Also giving a rationale as to why, if the rockets were so lethal, so few people were actually killed or injured on the Israeli civilian side.
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Hold the phone folks , Hannity just returned from Israel and said Iron Dome is working as predicted!
If Hannity said itās working, well itās working and every dime of our tax dollars is well spent!
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A lot of Israel is desert. If you can intercept a missile before it reaches a city, likely it falls harmlessly even if the missile warhead isnāt destroyed and it explodes on hitting the ground. There have been very few reports of missiles hitting densely populated areas.
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At least some Hamas missiles have a primitive fuse that will likely detonate as a result of any interception.
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Most important to my mind is that, absent Iron Dome, the Israeli response would have been much more significant and sustained - public pressure for an even stronger response would have been too much to withstand.
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I Didnāt ReaD the ArticLE bECAUSe it IS full OF LiBRul lies, BUt whoever wrote this IS aN extrEME DeMONrat ISRAEL-hatING frauGHT wiTH aNTi-semeTIcs!!!1!1!1!!one11!!!
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