Discussion for article #226177
Sigh. Such short memories. Bush negotiated the 2011 withdrawal in 2008, before the “current administration” had even won the election.
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Yea, yea. If the shock and awe and the mission accomplished phases had been successful in finding wmd and the cheney admin. had been successful in negotiating a status of forces agreement. Blah, blah, blah.
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It’s disgusting that these “interviewers” never ask these idiots “Are you aware that Bush negotiated our withdrawal from Iraq, that Obama requested more time, and that the Iraqi government refused?”
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“I can say is—What I would have supported is leaving additional troops in Iraq longer, and perhaps we wouldn’t have this situation today,” Ernst said.
Instead Joni might have looked back a little further and said…“If Bush and Cheney wouldn’t have lied to get us into this mess we wouldn’t have this situation today.”
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The short answer: “No”. After all, that was so three years ago.
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The interviewer never intended this to be an interview in the best sense of the word. She was allowed 3:16 to self promote.
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plus she doesn’t seem to be able to do more than reply with memorized talking points . . .
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Shockingly uninformed…However, if hog-deballer Jodi wants revenge on that cowardly President she needs to realize Dubya’s retracted years ago.
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Shut up, panderer. If he’d stayed, you’d say he should have pulled us out.
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American troops shouldn’t have been in Iraq to begin with.
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Joni Ernst is no strobe light. She’d be a perfect fit with the Senate Republicans.
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From somewhere between Dante’s 8th and 9th Rings of Hell–
I can hear Joseph Goebbels bellowing with laughter.
And Karl Rove smirks.
jw1
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The only thing leaving troops in Iraq would have done is leave the president with no choice but to send more troops to Iraq to protect the contingent of troops left behind.
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We would end up bankrupting our nation.
Your shortsightedness would be breathtaking-- if it was not so persistent.
From Wiki:
In June 2008, US Department of Defense officials claimed security and economic indicators began to show signs of improvement in what they hailed as significant and fragile gains.[75] Iraq was fifth on the 2008 Failed States Index,[76] and sixth on the 2009 list.[77] As public opinion favoring troop withdrawals increased and as Iraqi forces began to take responsibility for security, member nations of the Coalition withdrew their forces.[78][79] In late 2008, the American and Iraqi governments approved a Status of Forces Agreement effective through 1 January 2012.[80
How does it feel to always be wrong and a failure like GWB?
jw1
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And IIRC, we were told quite clearly that our presence was no longer desired.
ETA: Not that they invited us to begin with.
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“Dante’s 8th and 9th rings of Hell”… so appropriate.
Another point. The utility of the removal of the Military Draft in the 1970s.
It did several things…for one thing, it significantly de-politicized the young, after the 1970s.
Period.
More specifically, for mental midgets like Jodi Ernst in 2014, the lack of Military Draft means that there is absolutely zero pushback on her remarks (“we shoulda left more troops in Iraq…”) from anyone aged 19-26 (who are secure in the certainty of no liability for combat duty by Military Draft)
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Did anyone happen to ask her how the fuck she thought we could do that given the refusal of the Iraqis to sign a status of forces agreement that gave our troops the legal right to be there (and the immunity necessary to blow things up and shoot people without being deemed in violation of local criminal laws) before Obama was even elected? No?
No, I didn’t think so. Because it’s not like you’d expect a fucking political reporter to have his or her hands on the details of something that happened more than three goddamned weeks ago and ask a question about it.
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Typical news stenographer work all they know are the talking prints, so that is what an"interview" looks like these days. No background, no depth. Continue to aid and abet in spreading the lies and half truths, and the heck with the further destruction of the fourth estate. PBS had a piece with Dick Cavett on last night on Nixon’s resignation, complete with examples of what real journalism used to be. But even those real journalists - Bob Woodward, looking right at you - no longer are practitioners.
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Someone should commission a poll to find out just how many Iowans think a permanent occupation of Iraq is a good idea. I have a feeling it is less than half if phrased that way.
Then hang that position around her neck.
Bush’s puppet regime turned on him and kicked his ass out. Obama actually did something unusual for the US. He honored an agreement.
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