Discussion: Hundreds Of Pages Expected From Mueller Report

It has never been reasonable to imagine that the Mueller investigation was aimed at bringing down Trump. Mueller was appointed to publicly clear the DoJ of the appearance of impropriety created by Trump’s actions regarding the Flynn investigation. The question of Trump having a corrupt motive for first trying to get Comey to lay off Flynn, then firing Comey when he wouldn’t, was raised by these actions of Trump. Then Trump made this question very public by going on TV with Lester Holt and announcing that the reasonable public justification to fire Comey that the DoJ had crafted for him, a justification in line with DoJ rules, was not his actual motive.

There was never any compelling reason to imagine that Trump had any corrupt motive in pressuring,and then firing, Comey, so much as a demented motive. He was very clearly told by his DoJ legal advisers to not pressure Comey, because that violated DoJ rules, which maybe a president gets to ignore, because he isn’t part of the DoJ, but which Comey doesn’t get to ignore because he is DoJ. Then he was clearly told that he could only fire Comey for the officially stated reason that they crafted for him in the letters that Sessions and Rosenstein signed supporting the firing. He ignored or just forgot everything he was told, though, and blabbed to Holt that he fired Comey for not laying off Flynn. To remove the implication that admission created that Sessions and Rosenstein and the senior DoJ people who wrote their letters for them did so to help Trump obstruct justice, there had to be an independent investigation into the Trump election campaign to demonstrate that there was no possible corrupt motive hidden anywhere.

Of course there was no such corrupt motive, at least not a corrupt motive that a non-demented person could entertain. Firing Comey was never going to have any other effect than to get Flynn and the Trump campaign investigated much more closely than it would have had Trump laid off any effort to get Comey to stop investigating Flynn. Trump was clearly told this, but went ahead anyway, whether out of a demented conviction that he could bull his way through anything, because dammit, he’s the president, or because he simply couldn’t understand or remember the competent legal advice to not pressure and then fire Comey.

There was never going to be an obstruction of justice case against Trump for pressuring and then firing Comey, because that action obviously served no rational corrupt purpose. The case that could be made, that has been made, is that Sessions and Rosenstein et al were not party to any such corrupt conspiracy of Trump’s.

Perhaps Sessions, Rosenstein, and Mueller at the outset shared McCabe’s impression at the time that Trump did what he did because he was demented, and they expected the people who have the duty to remove a president whose dementia renders him unable to execute the powers and duties of his office to start up the 25th Amendment process. Perhaps they thought that the absence of any rational corrupt motive for Trump’s actions that the Mueller investigation would uncover would goad these people to do their duty. Stop looking for Mueller to have done the job these people should have done all along. And since these people include the House, now controlled by Ds, stop letting the D House majority off the hook for dealing with a demented president by continuing to look to the Mueller report to do what they need to be doing.

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We all should learn from that mistake :slight_smile:

Kavanaugh

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Thanks. This answers a most obvious question that others apparently have failed to ask, let alone answer: with apologies to Bill Clinton’s famous testimony, It depends on the meaning of the word “page”. Three hundred pages is either a long report or a short report, depending entirely on whether the page count references only analysis, or whether it also includes all the likely appendixes.

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Just how they like it. Trying to make everyone think they got something from Barr and they all go on as if this was the truth and making endless comments about Mueller’s report. One doesn’t need to be very smart to see so far there is not a Mueller report.
Redact Barr.

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You know what’s bizarre? Barr is treating the number of pages like it’s top secret. What. The. Fuck? Is this another attempt to distract by making the issue about the number of pages rather than the contents, per se?

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The Comey issue is a bit of a sideshow. 100+ contacts with Russians prior to the 2016 elections starting with Sessions meeting the Russian ambassador, twice, while still just a senator. U.S. senators do not hold one-on-one talks with ambassadors, particularly those from countries considered hostile to U.S. interests, unless, asked to do so by the president. Then Sessions lies about having done so in his confirmation hearing.

There was collusion. The CIA, NSA and FBI all know there was collusion.

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Agreed. Barr will stall, delay, and yes, obstruct, probably for months. The target of all the gaslighting is of course the usual Trump base; the object to maintain a safe space to protect and embolden the Republican co-conspirators in the Senate.

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There should be spent a great deal more time speculating on how to deal with Barr. When I say that I mean an analysis of what he has done, the partisan nature of it, the deviation of his actions from existing norms and the evident impunity from accountability for his actions.

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The page length of 300 + exhibits means that we’re talking close to a 1000 page doc. These numbers will be difficult for the GOP to deal with. That they couldn’t keep the page length under wraps tells you that they will have trouble being leak proof and the intimidation factor is now gone with Pelosi sticking them in the ribs and with public opinion solidly behind the Dem view here.

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The full report will fuck Trump right in the skull. We’ll see in intricately documented form what an unethical, un-American, compromised asshole he really is.

With exhibits.

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It’s not that we “know” anything about the report.

It’s that we are pretty certain about what he investigated, and none of it is good for Herr Drumpfler

Understood. I would just like this media outlet to not fall into the same lazy-ass writing that seems to be going around so much this week.

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How is “exponentially more professional” even measured? :joy:
j/k I love the TPM reporters

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It might be best to get a leak as soon as possible, but if it leaks after the redactions we might learn where some more bodies are buried.

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And his minions in and out of government won’t care.

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‘In excess of 300 pages’ tells me Barr’s summary is bullshit.

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There is a cartoon done by a very good friend of mine, Dave Fitzsimmons, who works for the Arizona Daily Star here in Tucson. In a sideways way what the cartoon says may come to pass.

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We’ve seen part of trump’s 2005 tax return. But the Mueller report is deeper than the atomic secrets so far. No leaks at all which means nobody, not even the Loud Mouth-in-Chief has seen it. But I bet wikileaks will.

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Mueller and Barr