Discussion: How The South Lost The War But Won The Narrative

Interesting you should put it that way, since the Cornerstone Speech explicitly denies the proposition in the Declaration, and affirms that the Confederacy was founded upon the opposite proposition.

To be fair to Stephens, the cornerstone of which he spoke was white supremacy; slavery was its corollary. And that’s the fairest it gets when you talk about those traitorous gentlemen.

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When the South takes the baby steps of eliminating overt racism and traitor-worship? Maybe we could be allowed to multi-task without being attacked for suggesting this?

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The atrocities against Blacks are horrofic and beyond words.
The next group harmed are the haters and the toll this evil self defeating psyche has on their lives and broader communites-cities, schools, states, economies.

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And this differs how, exactly, from Lincoln’s plans? Personally, I’d have liked to see a little more of the Radical Republican approach, but then I’d also have liked Morgenthau’s plan for the reconstruction of Germany in 1945 to have carried the day.

To glamorize the south is to glamorize the owning of human beings, it is the glorification of hatred and the acceptance of rewritten history.

The clingers on to the whitewashed version of the civil war may glorify the leaders and reminisce about a wonderful way of life that never was but that is because they can’t and won’t admit to the truth.
They can’t say, yeah we owned slaves because we were superior, enjoyed it and still believe that it is right, then turn around and say, the south only fought against its own nation because of some political squabbles.
It was a traitorous act to go to war against their own nation and their purpose for the war is clear, they didn’t want to give up their slaves.
They’ll never get their way of life back so they romanticize it. Why they fear living in the world around them instead of their dream world is the big question. They are missing the modern world to live in an ugly past. Why?

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Like Ohio and Pennsylvania, you mean? Butternuts in power there, are they? It’s an R & D thing, and students and other potentially more liberal blocs are as much the target as racial minorities. Check out the carefully-crafted picture ID rules set up to prevent college students’ voting where they reside. Yeah, we should focus on that bit of undemocratic (small-d) anathema to the constitution, by all means. Also gerrymandering, without which we’d have a Democratic majority in the house. All this is important to the nation’s future. But if you think that means we shouldn’t also fight overt racism, I beg to differ.

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It takes some level of cowardice to show up day after day and ignore the mountain of evidence and logical argumentation that has deconstructed your points, and simply repeat things to hear/see yourself repeat them.

Apropos for the topic of this article. I guess losing the war but winning the narrative is your strategy.

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Do not engage that POS, I implore you. he’s here to snicker and fight; he either knows he’s lying or isn’t bright enough to be taught. The effort to enlighten him is futile. Better he get zero replies and no attention.

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Many nazi were full of contrition and asked for forgiveness at the Nuremberg Trials. Too little too late.

Dixiecrats party was formed and died in 1948, all but 3 members went back to the Democratic Party including some very nasty people who were KKK members and fought within their party against civil rights legislation.

I’m following a loooong Facebook thread here in a group dedicated to history of a smallish town in Texas regarding the local Confederate Monument on the Square. The Facebook group contains all ages and some families go back to the mid-19th C. here. It is amazing to me to read the number of posts that still claim “state’s rights” as the main factor for the Civil War. It is also amazing how much passion is still stirred by this subject: the thread is over 300 posts since yesterday afternoon.

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Didn’t mean to imply that . It’s just the focus is on the stupid flag and not the rest of the shit they pull off in an effort to preserve the White Men’s 1% Club ®™

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Good book; I read it years ago.

Hmmm, when we discuss how the South won the narrative, I would think “Gone with the Wind,” and its ongoing popularity–in which all the good guys were southern plantation owners fighting for their “honor” against evil Yankees, has to play a part. This version of the Civil War has become deeply imbedded in the cultural vernacular.

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Facts, not opinions:

It’s true that a Democratic president, Lyndon Johnson, shepherded the 1964 Civil Rights Act to passage. But who voted for it? Eighty percent of Republicans in the House voted aye as against 61 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans favored the law, but only 69 percent of Democrats. Among the Democrats voting nay were Albert Gore Sr., Robert Byrd and J. William Fulbright.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mlassite/risen.html

They lost the Civil War and 150 years later the South controls the GOP, which controls the House and Senate and is blocking everything the uppity black man who was twice elected to the White House wants to do.
Pretty neat trick.

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We, the North, should have crushed the Confederacy when we won the war. Jefferson Davis should have been tried for treason and every semblance of the South should have been completely destroyed and rebuilt in our Northern image. Allowing the South the survive the end the of war was a mistake. It’s time to correct that error.

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I’ll be taking my time reading it over my morning coffee…

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President Grant did not want to punish and humiliate the South after they lost the war. They were not very grateful for that mercy.

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Thank God for all who voted for it. You should read Master of the Senate by Robert Caro if you haven’t. Fantastic history and analysis of the Senate and its dis/function.

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Go troll somewhere else.