Discussion: House May Scrap O'Care Repeal Bill Provision Requiring Continuous Coverage

if they bankrupt all the insurance companies by making them insure pre existing conditions and people can sign up when they get sick
only one option left single payer

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“Political meddling.”

What do you call it when the Russians throw an American election?

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You understand that. I understand that.

The GOP may well understand that but they do not give one shit. And no matter how hard we tried and we tried hard, we couldn’t get it from the Democratic majority either.

Those are facts, too.

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Even with the 30% penalty it seemed to make obvious sense for young, healthy people who don’t need continuous care to wait until they have some healthcare need, sign up, get the care, and then cancel the plan. Without the penalty it seems plainly irrational to do otherwise. And so, death spiral. Am I missing something?

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'Tis so very, very sad how often we hear the GOP disparage the coverage requirements, of whatever sort, the ‘personal responsibility’ leg of the logical and economic foundations for the ACA – begun as the core idea of the original Heritage Foundation pushback against Hillary-care – and to think, gee, what if, back in '09, instead of negotiating with these folks who had no intention of supporting the compromise product, we had just gone all out for Medicare for all? Sigh.

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We’ve reached the “throw shit at the wall and see what sticks” phase.

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If they remove the Continuous Coverage part, that means folks won’t buy insurance until they are sick. Insurance companies are not going to like that at all. Will leave them having big losses.

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The way I see it, the GOP has hit the 3d time under and now we drown phase.

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Auto-enrolling in 401(k) works great for people who are regularly employed by firms of decent size. Of course, those are also the kinds of employers that are likely to be providing employee health insurance benefits.

What 401(k) auto-enrollment plan is there for self-employed, causal workers, the unemployed, or unemployable?

I don’t think 401(k) auto enrollment really applies as a model for this problem.

It seems to me that could be handled by having a waiting period from when you sign up until when coverage begins. Risking even a month or two uncovered is risking bankruptcy if you get sick or have an accident.

“Keep amputating until the patient recovers.”

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Why not? Everyone is signed up for a silver level plan in their area and they are billed for it (or better yet payroll deduction). If they want a different plan or no plan at all, they go on the exchange and change their coverage.

Indeed. That’s precisely it. This goes back to Rove’s Rule No. 1: always accuse your accuser of doing what you were accused of doing.

This is part of the GOP’s desperate attempts to invent a counter-narrative that counter-balances the Russians’ interference on behalf of Trump. Of course, Soros is a citizen, but they’re all over that too…

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/call-congress-revoke-citizenship-george-soros-and-forbid-his-various-foundations-operating-usa

If anyone thinks this isn’t the beginning of a coordinated attack that will most certainly involve gross abuses of power, then I suggest they do a little more Googling.

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If I may - “If anyone thinks this isn’t the beginning of an attempted coordinated attack…”

First off these people couldn’t organize a 2-car funeral.

Secondly, Soros isn’t nobody - he has more money than Trump so I invite them to come after him. He’s a citizen, too.

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That makes the bill worse. Smart, Ryan, really smart.

I hope they work on auto insurance reform next. I would love to buy my car insurance after a crash.

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The Obamacare opponents keep talking about how terrible it is that there are high premiums and deductibles.

Another fundamental of insurance that these yahoos don’t seem to grasp is that there are only three ways to lower premiums: 1) take profit and administrative costs out of the insurance system, 2) lower health care costs–doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, etc, 3) get a lot more (all of the) healthy people in the risk pools. Obamacare did nothing on #1 and #2, arguably made #1 worse. (Way too many vested interests there.) Now the right wingers are trying to ignore #3 as well. It will not, cannot, result in lower premiums and deductibles.

Ryan recently said the the problem with ACA is that “healthy people are forced to pay for the people who are sick.” That’s how all insurance works, you moron! If you really don’t like that, your only choices are a) admit that you don’t really care about people dying in the gutters for lack of health care, b) accept that the costs of care for a growing pool who can’t afford care is going to get added to the bills of the declining few who can, or c) abandon optional private insurance as the financing mechanism of choice to pay for health care. Pick which kind of “Freedom” you like and own your choice.

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Remember, Republican voters, it’s your money.

But your politicians are going to tell you not only where you must spend it, but also when you must spend it.

Just keep telling yourself, I have free access, I have free access…

Outstanding explanation. It is beyond the grasp of nearly everybody on the right and a lot of people on the left.

Insurance isn’t rocket science.

Personally we need a system that lowers health care costs, reduces administrative costs and requires everybody to participate.

I don’t know where he keeps it though. You can bet your left ear that their goal will be to seize and/or freeze his assets to the extent that they can.