âMore than 30 rank-and-file House Democrats asked Pelosi in a letter Monday to delay leadership elections to allow time to discuss why so many congressional candidates underperformed expectations in the recent election.â
Because youâre a group of effete, spineless, nattering idiots who canât get themselves unified into an effective messaging force and who respond to adversity by having âdiscussions.â
There. Discussed. Now shit or get off the pot.
âI got a few calls saying, âWe need someone from the Midwest who is a good communicator who can help us win seats in tough areas around the country,ââ Ryan said of possibly taking on Pelosi, according to Politico.
OK, hereâs where the rubber meets the road.
What could Ryan âcommunicateâ to Midwesterners who responded entirely to Rumpâs racism? At no point did Rump actually have policy that went beyond deportations. The message of MAGA does NOT include policy; it includes White nationalism. Clinton tried her best to get across actual policy position that could have benefited Midwesterners. But that was drowned out with MAGA.
So, - what would Ryan be communicating?
EDIT TO ADD: I want to make something VERY clear here. The Democratic Party is at a crossroads right now.
Part of the reason is that PoC, women, LGBT have been seen as âspecial interest groupsâ that the Dem Party mines for votes. But thatâs wrong.
Because the Dem Party IS PoC, women, LGBT. This is what the actual Party consists of now. We need to make that clear because at some point there will be a choice to be made.
Cluttering my email with absurd hourly requests for contributions seems counterproductiveâŚ
âplease donât go hard left, please donât go hard left, please donât go hard leftâ
If Democrats think that moving to the right is going to capture more votes they are off their rockers - literally. It is time for them all to retire and let some fresh ideas take over.
See, I think this was part of the problem with Pres. Obama and what he tried to reconcile. On the one hand Latinos were furious with him for the many deportations he authorized (quite frankly, I donât blame them). He did it because he thought he could curry favor with the Right and that might spur actual immigration reform.
Did it work the way he planned? No.
Get ready for the âTea-Partyingâ of the left.
Actually, we had that - it was called âOccupyâ - and I believe that it was a movement that was covertly undermined by the government.
Agreed. And the Democratic Party is poised to pander to these people, bigly. What a mistake that would be. Weâll lose the Sanders movement to third parties and apathy for a generation while not gaining much ground with a white working class that has been conditioned to loath âLiberal Democratsâ as politically correct anti-American atheists who will make it illegal to say Merry Christmas and is actively working to take away white peopleâs guns while unleashing rapist Mexicans and Muslim terrorists onto the countryside.
I have no clue how we fight against right wing media which is what I think is the prime force that is turning white people against Democrats. Liberal media failed miserably. MSM, with their false equivalencies, works against us more than helping.
So, I think we develop a 50-state strategy that works towards minimizing our working class white vote losses and maybe modest gains along the edges, but doesnât succumb to Jim Webb-ian pandering to the confederate flag waving fucktwats.
Meanwhile, our natural constituency is urban and educated and so on. Part of our problem in 2016 was turnout. A lot of our people didnât come out. Maybe that was a Hillary thing. Maybe people hated her so much theyâd rather shit on the constitution than vote for her. So be it. Our voters can have shit-for-brains sometimes too. Candidate recruitment is crucial in that case.
I just canât be part and parcel of a party that panders to these racist, misogynistic nitwits to the detriment of our natural voter base. Not looking for purity. But we need to understand who reliably votes Democratic and we should not just toss them aside chasing after a constituency that has open hostility towards our party and our voter base.
Any delay in re-organizing this shattered party with new leadership will result in more dysfunction and less ability to win in two years. We need a plan to win in two years and a candidate to groom to win in four. We simply donât have time for nonsense, actually, Pelosi and Shumer should step down so new people can begin to rebuild.
Yea, makes sense. We at least picked up a few house seats despite a huge chunk of dems staying home and losing the national, and losing most of the state racesâŚso yea, lets fire Nancy. Stupid fucks.
I share your anger but for once have a quibble.
Midwest/rustbelt votersâIâd call them âheartlandâ whites, except that the term âheartlandâ is a sick irony --fall into two distinct categories: longterm Reps, who Iâm certain are racist, intractable, etc; and voters who previously voted for Obama but flipped to Trump. Ryan would not move the first category one iota; but he (or some other white dude) could make headway with the second category, who after all voted for a black president and, according the electoral maps, are densely concentrated just south of the Great Lakes, where industrial stagnation is definitely occurring, and can be targeted for special concern.
Iâm a fan of Pelosiâbut something has to be done about these flip voters. We canât just give up the rust belt to the Rs. That would be electoral death.
It is ESSENTIAL that Democrats come to terms with some irreconcilable ideas.
We have to acknowledge what âWhite working classâ really want. Not what Dems think they should want OR what they wanted over 50 years ago. Once thatâs honestly understood, go from there.
EDIT TO ADD: @spocksblackpants We need to turnout OUR people. Agree completely on this:
I just canât be part and parcel of a party that panders to these racist, misogynistic nitwits to the detriment of our natural voter base. Not looking for purity. But we need to understand who reliably votes Democratic and we should not just toss them aside chasing after a constituency that has open hostility towards our party and our voter base.
To be fair, having both a Speaker and a House Minority Leader named Ryan does open the door to lots of wacky misunderstandings.
Drop the NeoLiberal bullshitâŚit has not served the party well in the long term, to do that weâll need to do some house cleaning (Pelosi and Schumer to start)
patience
in lieu ofâŚa couple of extra days canât do any harm.
hahahaha
but he (or some other white dude) could make headway with the second category, who after all voted for a black president and, according the electoral maps, are densely concentrated just south of the Great Lakes,
I think you bring up an interesting point: if these people voted Obama but didnât vote Clinton when she was running to extend his legacy, why vote for Rump? Not saying I know the answer. Iâm genuinely questioning: Why?
Because Trump was offering them an improved economy. It was, without doubt, bullshit. But it was better to their ears than what HRC was offering.