Discussion for article #231893
I wouldn’t be surprised to find out the two brothers in Paris, like the two brothers in the Boston Marathon bombing, we’re lone wolves inspired by extremist rhetoric but not part of any organized terrorist group. In other words, I suspect we may find out the Paris tragedy was due to two mutually-reinforcingindividuals rather than foot soldiers taking orders from higher ups.
And I suspect there are many, many more such people in France, in the United States, and throughout the world. If our nations’ and cooperative intelligence efforts are aimed primarily at tracking groups, then we’ll continue to miss these one-or-two here-and-there killers.
What you describe seems to be case, there are organized terrorist groups ready to go in the is country. My hope is that the new Congress with its hatred of this administration and its reluctance to allocate funds for anything connected to government but instead is eager to cut spending will provide whatever financial resources are requested. Can we hope and dream for that to happen?
prosecute petreaus. if you do not have the balls to prosecute the rich and powerful, then this gov’t is not a equal gov’t. crap, the non-rich with no power are getting prosecuted for saying mean things on facebook.
meet the press is terrible. i just watched a panel of two conservatives, one idiot (adrea Mitchell), and some reporter who babbles. so i just heard a conservative say we need the nsa to spy on americans and the idiot moderator did not say anything. meet the press needs to be retired, because you can only watch it for about ten minutes at most.
The only thing that stands a chance of thwarting self-activated plots motivated by extremist rhetoric on the Internet is the kind of intrusive constant domestic communications surveillance many people were (wrongly) led to believe already exists. We have the capability to do it, but whether anyone wants to believe it or not, FISA limits what’s done with it. And if the brakes were ever taken off of it, the slippery slope from using it to stop terror plots to using it to interdict major drug shipments to using it to bust people for selling a couple of grams of weed and, ultimately, keeping tabs on political speech, is steep and obvious.
This was very different, these people were clearly part of a Yemeni group, and likely the car bombing the same day in Yemen was tied in. These guys were also much more professional in their approach, and were well trained. The Boston morons just dropped two backpacks with homemade bombs in a crowded place, not too complex. These guys scoped the place out, picked their targets, etc. Definitely two very different things, these were not lone wolves.
That’s quite a leap. You actually think they are going to bust people for small pot sales from the surveillance programs, when in fact the opposite is happening, weed is becoming more and more legal.
These programs are in fact used for law enforcement for major crimes, and this paranoia stuff is quite silly. As we have found out the real danger in all this for the common person is having naked photos of oneself being posted on websites.
But right now I am going to get high on some good weed here in NYC. And no one is reading my email right now saying “hey man, go get this guy, he’s getting high”. This is just paranoia.
Surveillance nailed the Boston guys. Surveillance nailed the lady who sent ricin to President Obama and tried to frame her husband for it. Metadata nailed her.
The U.S. has a terrorist threat all-right, and his name is Bubba and not Mohammed.
While the global nations come together to combat this new form of terrorism (they’re using our own citizens against their country). The new republican control of both houses are plotting to GUT DHL because of their prejudice & hate of minorities communities. McCain on CNN playing the blame game, Murdoch inciting bigotry & hate against the whole Muslim community, Lindsey blaming the closing of Gitmo, ending the Iraq war.
IMO the biggest crime is the lax of America media who just let these lies goes un-challenge. That’s not journalism who deal with reality & facts, but instead America media have become a propagandists pumping lies sensationalism.
There was a post made by one of the three dead terrorists (the one from the Market siege) that is circulating on jihadi websites in which he claims membership in ISIS and displays the ISIS flag and lots of guns. He also had an ISIS flag at the market. And claimed membership in a phone call to French radio. So, based on all this and the fact that the two brothers got training in Yemen I’d say that they were not doing this stuff completely on their own. In addition where did they get the rifles, an RPG and 15 sticks of dynamite? These things are very very difficult to get in France. No, I think these guys were not lone wolves.
Sensationalism drives the mediain America. Background stories explaining why things happen as they do are the real guts of journalism and it doesn’t sell papers and it doesn’t get clicks on news web sites
Both names apply. If you think there are not both Bubba’s and Mohammed’s eager to do damage here in the States, you are no different than the FOX crowd who think it’s only Mohammed’s. Both have nuts eager to kill. I recall a Mohammed Atta that did a little damage here in the States.
Exactly, these guys were far more advanced than the Boston punks, and definitely tied in to terror networks.
Would that 3.7 million people in the USA had marched after the Newtown massacre, where more died than in Paris.
But in America, gun worship is a national fetish.
I wonder if the Tarnaev brother currently on trial would welcome his death as a martyr? or was he just reacting like the petulant egotists who don’t like the feeling of being dissed by the wider society, not relying on his so called religious extremism, where he would be martyred and get to heaven? Just wondering.
The threat of attack by foreign extremists was there before the attacks in Paris, just the same as it was before 9/11. Just the same as the threat of attack by domestic extremists was there before Oklahoma City, before the Atlanta Olympics, the Wisconsin Sikh temple bombing. We can go back to before the 1950s and realize that there has always been a threat of horrific acts perpetrated by groups or individuals with extreme views. What I don’t understand is why we seem to have lost our collective minds at this point in time and seem to be so willing to live in constant fear and loathing, welcoming surveillance, surrendering privacy, embracing torture, and feeling as if we need to arm ourselves to the teeth in our own homes.
I suspect that if all the “news” channels went off the air and all the talking heads shut up, we’d calm down and find sensible and effective ways to deal with the things that threaten us.
“On the other hand, when one looks at what happened here in France with a relatively small number of people, when we look at some incidents that have happened in other parts of the world, when we look at what’s happened in the United States, we have a very small number of people, without huge amounts of planning, without huge amounts of resources, inflicting very severe damage,” Holder continued.
Yes. It’s called school shootings. And other mass shootings. And no one is doing F-all about it, when we actually know a fair bit about how to prevent or mitigate some of them.
Forgotten the Cheney and Nixon Administrations already, have we?