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Oh noes! Where is Crazy Wayne when we needs he??? Saves us, Crazy Wayne, saves us!!!
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âI will try every way I can to get those guns out of the hands of people who shouldnât have them,â
And she is running for President? Sheâd probably do a better job if she didnât feed right wing tropes.
how about:
âI will try every way I can to keep those guns from getting into the hands of people who shouldnât have them,â
as in not taking guns away but preventing the wrong people from getting them in the first place.
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OH SNAP!
I am loving Hillary!
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The argument is always that gun laws must prevent all shootings forever or thereâs no point. Reduction of death is worthless.
In America, more preschoolers are shot dead each year (82 in 2013), than police officers in the line of duty (27 in 2013), according to figures from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI.
Others are free to do nothing or keep trying to stop us. But, the rest of us care about saving American lives - and thereâs more of us than you.
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Hillary is such a fake. Big dealâŚwants to reverse the legal immunity for the gun dealers and pushers!
The rest of the world is wondering what the hell is wrong with the USA - even Australia (a rather conservative country) woke up and passed rigid gun control laws!
The US has only itself to blame for our 34,000 gun related deaths per year! Thatâs rightâŚwe average 34,000 gun related deaths in the US each year! Many of these killings would be avoided with real and common sense gun control:
- Require every fire arm to be registered
- Requite background checks
- Require all gun owners to have a licenseâŚjust like we have a license to drive a car, or Class I vehicles like trucks. If you violate the law or are convicted druggie or a drunk or guilty of rape or domestic abuse - you lose your license (privilege) to own and possess a gun - PERIOD!
We should be tracking guns just like we track cars via motor vehicle registrations!
PERIOD!
Itâs really just positioning. Guns is actually one issue where HRCâs politics, even before this policy announcement, are significantly to the left of Bernieâs. Sanders âsuffersâ from the typical vulnerability of largely rural and predominantly white states: to get and stay elected to the Senate in Vermont, itâs considered necessary to pander to the NRA. He actually got into Congress in the first place by carving out a position materially to the RIGHT of the Republican incumbent on guns. Sandersâ gun policies arenât much different than another white rural Senate Dems, but theyâre well to the right of progressives generally and most Dem voters, especially from large urbanized states with a lot of non-white voters.
Again, this isnât aimed at the general election, this is aimed at just GETTING there. Sheâs taking Sandersâ candidacy seriously, and this is part of general effort to undermine it where itâs vulnerable with Dem primary voters.
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Just make getting a gun as difficult as getting an abortion. Problem solved.
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Yes and no. It absolutely is aimed at Democratic voters as you correctly pointed out, its an issue that she is considerably to the left of Sanders.
But it also serves as a good foundation for the general, depending on how the countryâs mood is on gun control by then. If there is another mass shooting (and odds are, there will be several), she is well positioned to be even more vocal about it. If not, well, nothing really lost. The GOP candidates have done an atrocious job of responding to this latest shooting, so I think this ground is a lot more fertile than Conventional Wisdom usually indicates.
Its a very smart move for her campaign, and, for me personally, its a ârightâ first step on the issue.
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In the aftermath of 9/11, Congress passed sweeping laws (the PATRIOT Act), empowering intelligence and law enforcement agencies while infringing upon Constitutional rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
Yet absolutely none of those laws would have prevented the 9/11 attacks. Indeed, even worse, the information and power necessary to identify and detain the terrorists was already in the system, yet the system still failed to react.
But even though more Americans have died every year from gun violence than were killed on 9/11 by terroristsâŚthe GOP response is still, ânothing we can do about it, sorryâ
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I donât get it, WHY does she think this will change anything?
âThere are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?â
âFirst, is the danger of futility: the belief there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the worldâs ills â against misery, against ignorance, or injustice and violence. Yet many of the worldâs great movements, of thought and action, have flowed from the work of a single man. A young monk began the Protestant Reformation, a young general extended an empire from Macedonia to the borders of the earth, and a young woman reclaimed the territory of France. It was a young Italian explorer who discovered the New World, and 32-year-old Thomas Jefferson who proclaimed that all men are created equal. âGive me a place to stand,â said Archimedes, âand I will move the world.â These men moved the world, and so can we all.â
Australianâs did not have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to own a firearm. That actually figures into this a bit. Your agenda is not electable in America. PERIOD.
Sheâs caught between a GOPâer rock and a Democratic hard place. Not much other than what she is doing can be done there. If Democrats were smart ( and they sure as fuck are not ) they wouldnât force this loser issue on their candidate. No Democrat is going to win on âtaking guns awayâ even if thereâs a mass shooting every 15 minutes. So try what the GOPâers do: The issue does not do well by you so just fucking drop it and make no mention of it. If elected come out in full force. But only then.
Does anyone believe Hillary would be talking about gun control if Bernie Sanders was not in the race?
This is why Bernie is running; to push the establishment candidates to the left and force them to understand they donât have to run from every âliberalâ issue.
So, Bernie has been pushing Hillary to the left on gun control? I think Bernieâs supporters will need a more persuasive argument than that.
Yes, without a doubt. This is a big and growing issue among the base, and itâs one HRC can run with to both set herself apart from the president by making it a campaign issue while also promising to expand on his initiatives.
Except this is an issue Sanders, as Senator from a very pro-gun state, has been running from for a very long time.
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From a policy point of view, I am very skeptical that lawsuits against gun manufacturers will accomplish anything. Because I doubt they would succeed. That being said, I donât have a problem with letting people try if they want.
As a political move, I think this was smart. It gives Hillary at least one opportunity to draw a contrast with Bernieâs voting record where her position on the issue may be more attractive to Democratic primary voters. In other words, itâs ammo for the debate.
Hillary is considerably to Bernieâs left on this issue, and has always been.
You have that bassackwards.
Hillary is pushing Bernie to the left on this issue.