Be of good cheer, @ralph_vonholst. It’s TRump. Tomorrow is another …Trump!
Meantime, dust off the kabuki photos.
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Even after 20+years of Clinton Derangement Syndrome, pressure from Sanders voters and one of the largest propaganda/disinformation campaigns in election history (with help from a hostile foreign entity no less) Hillary Clinton STILL won the popular vote. She should be President right now but this election, clearly, was stolen. (Bush vs Gore was just a prelude).
When the whole story comes out and indictments are handed down more people will understand exactly what happened. There is no “where did we go wrong”. The more important thing is to not let it happen again.
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There is an excellent reason for having low confidence in the electorate. Look at the candidates, both local and national, that have won elections since 1968. Yes, there have been one or two good ones, but they have been the exception - not the rule. No wonder the political climate in our country is such a mess.
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OT(c’est moi) Due to storm the newspaper paywalls are probably disabled. This is super cool:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-a-red-state-gets-the-blues/2017/09/05/57a5461a-9254-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html?utm_term=.7eefbce2fdb5
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Your lips to God’s ears…
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Using personal email wasn’t the problem. I don’t know how you get out in front of it, but the faux-scandal created by the Pukes and inflated by the media was the problem.
As much as I hate to say it, her career as a politician should be over. She put everything she had into running for president, and there’s literally no recovering from that if you don’t win the office.
As for missing a few chances. Well, I won’t enumerate them all, but forgoing campaigning in the Blue Wall has to rank with the worst political instincts ever, and I’m surprised Bill didn’t stay on her case about it.
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I think her major strength and weakness is her acceptance of complexity. The clearest example for me was the discussion of college tuition. Bernie said “Free Public colleges” - she said she did not want Trump’s children to get free tuition. Her system would have had means tests and lots of forms to fill out, probably once a year. People are fine with big government programs if they are SIMPLE like Medicare and Social Security.
She thinks presenting a simple aspiration is untruthful but I think most people expect a campaigner to give goals not fully detailed legislation.
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You can’t always foresee what happens with a technology.
–Newton Minow
I doubt the old guy envisioned our disastrous deregulated environment.
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She and I are about the same age. When I first knew of HRC during the 1992 presidential campaign, I was lukewarm about her. Her credentials were impressive…her work in college and law school, working in the White House…but it seemed slightly unusual that she got married, moved to Arkansas and became a governor’s wife, especially in the 70s when women like her were the striving vanguard for equal rights for women in the professions. Anyway, as she became more involved in campaigning, I realized that she was like those one or two overachieving girls I knew in college…unbelievably smart, incredibly disciplined, focused, ambitious, visionary, personally connected with the brainy and influential professors, intensely involved in campus political leadership…but totally uninterested in friendships with girls, especially average girls like me. I’m sure she has changed…becoming a mother and a grandmother, the humiliation she has endured being married to Bill, her close relationship with Huma Abedin, just getting older…but that sense of her not needing or wanting the friendship of us ordinaries hasn’t gone away, and you just can’t pretend affection. Still voted for her, still think she’d have made a good enough President…but not a great leader.
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Ok, now it’s Bernie & Jill’s turn…
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Grandpa and Grandmal.
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Let us not forget President Hillary would have the unrestrained Breitbart and Russian flavored dogs of Trump at her heels every day attempting, with daily media assistance, the illusion of the chaos Trump spews and the media soft-pedals while redressing, on the hour and half hour it seems, his rumpled Presidential mantle.
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Let’s hope she finds another way to be effective in a different role.I have never seen such hatred…irrational vitriol directed at anyone…not even Mr. Obama.The derision she faced was in unison from an organized group of well funded foes with several constituencies.Hatred, being ignorant or both tied them all together.
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We’re at the cusp of what the big boys think (and some now imagine they enjoy) will be control and riches beyond their imagining…to all our collective loss, of course. And by ‘our’ I mean humanity.
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Just wait til the next time a woman dares to try to play the game at that level. They’ll be just as hated.
We are the world’s oldest discriminated against minority.
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Agree with your principle there, especially with regards to Prez O.
However, concerning the regard with which the MSM media portrays Madame Clinton i think campaign coverage, in real time as well as post facto…?
Not nearly as much.
Let’s hope she fulfills her book-flogging obligations sufficiently and PROMPTLY and withdraws to much more effective behind-the-scenes support for the progressive goals.
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It’s no coincidence that America gave men of color the right to vote 50 years before it gave women that right.
Or that men of color were ordained Catholic priests centuries ago, but women still are excluded.
Or that voters elected President Obama before they elected any woman.
As a rule, men always band together – regardless of ethnic, religious, or other differences – in their fear of women.
And, sadly, plenty of women are always willing to help the menfolk in that misguided fight…
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I won’t call you what I want to because I don’t want to make publishermike upset. He’s got enough to deal with.
I am going to go so far as to say that you’re probably lying when you say that you voted for her because what you wrote doesn’t indicate that you EVER thought she was worthy of your vote. Most likely, you just sat it out.
Here’s the thing sparky: She went to AZ to campaign because that is where a growing segment of the Dem Party is: diverse, young and energized. If you didn’t see her on the news, which is not true, then that’s because the media LOVED Rump as a political spectacle, didn’t think he’d actually win, then realized that “the media” is his number one target. Despite the fact that they greatly helped propel him to being a WH squatter.
What’s the point of this book tour? Clinton is yesterday.
No, totally wrong. HRC is tomorrow. But not for you. She represents tomorrow for millions of women, PoC and LGBT who saw that this country will throw every obstacle at them because the default mechanism in this country is White, male and Christian.
You betray you’re obvious misogeny and general HRC hatred by referring to the “Clinton machine.”
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You got it.
A lot of women do help men discriminate against other women - you’re right. You’re also right about giving the vote to black men before any woman was allowed to vote.
That’s what we face that’s who we are. We are perpetually damned if we do and damned if we don’t - and that applies to just about everything.
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