Discussion: Hillary Clinton Nabs Enough Delegates To Be Presumptive Dem Nominee

[alcaray]

Are you guys hoping for a meteorite to strike her bus?

[woland66]

What is the problem with polling superdelegates today? Other than Clinton preferring that this news comes as a result of a primary tomorrow? Superdelegates were free to name Bernie, decline to state their preference or say that their vote depends on tomorrow’s result. I’m sure some did. But most said they will vote for Clinton because that’s what they’ll do.

[lestatdelc]

First time in history a woman is the nominee for the President of the United States.

For a major party, yes. But there have been other women nominees of other parties.

[rollinnolan]

Yes, we will. I’ve got goose bumps.

[brooklyndweller]

It’s almost impossible for the deadenders to come to grips with the fact that the majority of the Dem Party can’t stand Sanders and want no part of a “revolution.” But “Birdie” will always be the leader of angry White Independents.

Get it done, Madame Secretary.

[pluckyinky]

Well actually he has, because tomorrow will probably add even more gap between the two, and if you read the report from AP the superdelegates have stated they will not be changing their position.

A guy from MSNBC’s decision desk was just on explaining their reasoning for calling the primary for Clinton. Basically, he said they conduct very extensive interviews with superdelegates and then check back with them throughout the primary. He said the process is very thorough and they’re absolutely certain because of the math, because of the fact that she will have won more states, more pledged delegates, and more votes that the superdelegates will NOT be moving away from Clinton. Plus, so very many would have to move from her to Sanders and there’s been no evidence at all thus far that any such thing is happening nor is there reason to believe it will happen.

[addicted4444]

You’re right.

We should absolutely ignore the fact that she has addressed this many times.

Clearly what we should do is take steps that make it easier for someone who wants to spread nukes around the world, so that the next time there’s a bad decision, it’s 6.5Bn who are dead.

[clunkertruck]

Same flaccid and dishonest dissembling over the AUMF vote you have trotted out in nearly every thread when you have nothing substantive to say and your ass is handed to on the facts and you desperate need to say something negative about Clinton.

A petty … petty troll —

[joepaulson]

Press had every right to keep a running tally but seems a way to rob tomorrow of a bit of its power. Think superdelegates should just have waited after the primaries were over.

[epirali]

If women truly mobilized you would have a revolution that would make Sanders “revolution” look like the joke it is…

[woland66]

We do because they are a done deal, barring some unforeseen events in the next month.

[lestatdelc]

Think superdelegates should just have waited after the primaries were over.

Why?

Are you seriously saying elected officials and elected party delegates can’t endorse their preferred candidate?

[emilianoelmexicano]

I’m truly disgusted at how these people are dismissing this amazing, historic moment. After 240 years of fighting for women’s rights, we’ve finally arrived at the first step to the a woman reaching the highest level of power in history. And listening to Sanders and his crowd dismiss it is just disgusting. I hope women and minority voters go to vote in huge numbers tomorrow to let the Sanders campaign know what they think of his disrespect.

Remember the film “Tootsie”?

It took a cross-dressing man (Dustin Hoffman) to articulate the gumption and spunk that Dorothy Michaels exhibited in the soap opera drama. That was one of the themes in the film–at a time when it was known that the U.S. is a male chauvinistic society.

2016?

It is almost as though the Conventional Wisdom is that, no matter how much the disrespect of Trump, Sanders and their supporters show towards women and minorities, the latter groups will either slink back to the “ghetto”** (right, Bernie?) or barrio or the kitchen and just let the men do what they gotta do.

** I am speaking of Bernie’s faux pas when he clumsily referenced “ghettoes” dealing with African Americans…

[‘Ghetto’ gaffe highlights Bernie Sanders campaign’s struggle with race …
www.msnbc.com/.../bernie-sanders-ghetto-gaffe-highlights-campaigns-struggle-race]

[westcoast]

You know HRC was not alone in that vote. Did you demonize John Kerry or Joe Biden for their vote. I am sick and tired of the BS that somehow she alone was responsible for the invasion of Iraq. I know this is difficult for you Carlos but suck it up and give it up. Bernie Sanders is a flawed, deeply flawed candidate. She won. And she will be our next President.

[mcbain]

Super delegate : “hello?”
Sanders : “hi, it’s me, Bernie. Even though Hillary got more votes, won more states, and has more delegates, I want you to vote for me.”
Super delegate : * hangs up *
Sanders : * looks up next SD number *

[doremus_jessup]

“There’s going to be a few changes around here, Boys”

[ajm]

Well you could ask them.

[spencersmom]

… it´s really bullshit to poll all the super delegates the night before the final vote of the primaries.

Carlosfiance, I humbly admit that I actually agree with you on this point you’ve made. It serves no positive purpose to put this info out the night before a very large primary in which people whose voices are rarely heard, whose votes rarely carry meaning, have had the opportunity to cast their vote.

[srfromgr]

Before the whining begins, I just want to repost what I put on another thread because I didn’t see this one up with an article on the AP calling it.

I found this section in an article in Esquire a little while ago a rather good explanation that sort of sums up the dual thinking in Bernie’s campaign on the subject of superdelegates, depending on which way the wind is blowing:

Bernie Sanders doesn’t like superdelegates. Neither do members of Bernie’s staff, nor Bernie’s legions of supporters. Superdelegates are unelected, unaccountable, undemocratic. These party elites, who get to vote however they want, shouldn’t be counted in assessments of the Democratic primary race. Superdelegates “don’t count until they vote, and they don’t vote until we get to the convention,” Bernie’s campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said on CNN last month.

But, as The Hill reminds us, Sanders didn’t always sing the same tune. On June 5, 2008—two days after the last state voted, but before Hillary Clinton dropped out—Sanders pledged his support to then-Senator Barack Obama in an interview with The Burlington Free-Press. The Vermont senator had customarily held off endorsing anyone, the paper explained, until the party had chosen a nominee.

Except that Obama was not yet the nominee.

At that point in the '08 race, Obama had the support of 1,766.5 pledged delegates, according to The Hill, while 2,118 total delegates were required to secure the nomination that year. Clinton had 1,639.5. That meant that Obama needed superdelegates to put him over the top and make him the nominee—something Sanders apparently had no issue with at the time. Clinton dropped out two days after that interview, conceding defeat when she was 127 pledged delegates behind.

Today in Bernie Sanders Hypocrisy

Just thought people should be aware that.

Btw, Bernie Sanders is a Senator that caucuses with Dems, and therefore is a superdelegate. I assume that means he gets to vote twice. Do I care? Hell no. And oh yeah…President Obama is a superdelegate too.

The most super superdelegate: President Obama

[epirali]

What’s interesting is that even Faux News has the headline, but CNN is suspiciously silent…