Wait, don’t you know racists bible thumpers need their symbols of hate? How else can they feel good about themselves?
A group of racist asshole losers that can’t get over the fact that you can’t own people anymore and that they keep trying to fight a war they lost horribly 150 years ago
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You have to understand the basic way of thinking involved. To these slavery and Jim Crow nostalgics, it’s a matter of power, and only one race can be in power. The monument to the “battle” in front of the old Customs House put the matter explicitly in the inscription that was altered back in the 70s. It said that the white heroes had died trying to restore White Supremacy to Louisiana. To this way of thinking, we either have White Power in charge, or we have Black Power on top, and they just can’t imagine any middle way, any actual democratic rule in which no ethnic group has the power to lord it over the other.
What they would say to your argument would be that one group or the other, blacks or whites, has to be silent and subservient, and it’s not going to be the white people. Free speech can only be free speech for white people, and white people simply have to oppress blacks, now, in the past, and forever.
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“Plaintiffs have a First Amendment right to free expression, free speech and free association,…”
[and the plaintiffs also believe the First amendment provides that everybody needs to listen to them and agree]
“which they exercise by maintaining and preserving the historic character and nature of the City of New Orleans, including their monuments,…”
[Robt E Lee … Virginia fellow we all like]
[P.G.T. Beauregard did not get along with CSA President Jefferson Davis; maybe their statues could be placed next to each other so as to provide them their first amendment right to get along together]
[Battle of Liberty Place obelisk … obelisks have no rights; only slaves have fewer rights. The site needs to have the obelisk removed and replaced with a public rest room]
“and by using the monuments as the location for events commemorating individuals and events critical to the outcome of the Civil War”
[Yes we are proud that there were individuals involved who led this fiasco to a resounding defeat. I say we move these statues to a northern city in a small plot surrounded by a fence as a symbolic metaphor of them serving time as they should have when they were alive]
Ironic that you should invoke The Right Not To Be Offended when it is, after all, the whiners who are invoking that right behind their legal argle-bargle.
And honestly, if we wanted to depict the Confederate “heroes” factually, we should show them running away.
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“Remove all historical memory of the civil war.”
Is it possible for someone like you, even just once, to construct a sentence on this or any other topic without hyperbole? No one is attempting to do the thing you say here. It is pure, non-factual hyperbole.
As for the issue of states rights, what rights were they fighting for? The ‘right’ to keep slaves, and the ‘right’ to not be taxed at a higher rate on those slaves, among others.
I put it to people like yourself that there is plenty of room on this issue for hyperbole from all sides, but if you just stick to the historical facts you claim to be such a proponent of, they all lead back to slavery and a deep sense of entitled isolationism that still pervades much of the southern United States today. Neither of these things are worthy of your defense.
There are people in parts of New England who are, to say the least, provincial, but there are plenty of people throughout the southern United States who still, to this day, feel like they live in a separate country from the rest of us. I hope you’re not one of those people. Every Confederate soldier who fought and died in the Civil War was born an American, as were you, as were many of us. It’s our shared country, our shared history, and our shared responsibility for that history. As others have said, these symbols and statues belong in museums and history books, not displayed as monuments to the losing side of a societal struggle to come to grips with truly being a United States of America, a land of freedom for all people.
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You’re illogical and irrational blather is repugnant. My guess is you’re not very familiar with the facts and history of the matter, because that’s the typical M.O. of folks using your brand of straw man arguments.
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Next they’ll head to Germany, Italy, and Japan to erect the statues of Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito for their roles in WWII…free speech and all, ya’ know.
Good one, Ben Carson.
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That’s something you could certainly try. I’m sure there are some who would donate to that cause.
Awesome
A monument to Admiral Farragut would be a more appropriate choice if the intent is to honor wartime service.
If they can’t be moved then they need to be properly adorned with white hoods, shackles and big L’s on their foreheads.
If they want to honor history then they have to get it right.
Besides, when people think NOLA, they aren’t thinking about slavery and the civil war.
The city should honor a few jazz musicians and Cajun chefs, that would be more apropos.
Never gonna happen
The moment that the Civil War monuments became a sectional thing (Union statues being built in the south), any chance for a Farragut memorial outside of DC became a borderline ‘nope’.
Had he not surrendered Vicksburg, Pemberton had a better chance at getting a war memorial and he was a borderline competent commander.
Add to it Reconstruction and the period after, nope
“individuals and events critical to the outcome of the Civil War”
Uhhhh, okay. You do remember what the outcome was, right?
Don’t forget the obelisk to commemorate the site of the failed beer hall putsch.
Warning: This comment thread has a decidedly Yankee bent to it.
…a decidedly American–and factual–bent to it.
Ahh yes Hitlerputsch. Hey it’s just heritage not hate!
What’s really sad is, as bad a Nazism was it lasted only a short time compared to slavery, Jim Crow and even our current treatment of blacks vs whites in the US.