Discussion: Graham Breaks With Trump On ‘Spygate’: An 'Informant Is Not A Spy’

This is what counts as courage for the Republican Party in 2018. Declaring that American law enforcement personnel engaged in lawful and directed on-the-clock activity aren’t actually spies.

Well, okay. This “courage” is ε better than nothing. ε > 0, but only just.

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Give it about 45 minutes.

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I’m actually about ready to scream after reading this headline - Graham is now going to be portrayed as a hero for making one, small obvious statement??? Weak-assed talk is right!

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I have to believe the real problem is the national media, who once again, covers and gives legitimacy to another of Trump’s “bolognagate” cuckoo-land fantasies.

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The informant is not the perpetrator either.

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When does Liegate turn into Treasongate?

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Put enough cells together and you’ll form a spine.

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We don’t need to ‘sue your ass’…we only need to surmise that you’re using this opportunity to project you own suppressed rent boy (w/‘pipe’) fantasies onto Senator Graham.

They’ve already got their markers.

"Right now, there are rules saying you can’t, you know, you don’t want investigations to change political cycles. So there’s rules about, you know, ending and starting investigations because of the political cycle.”

Nice, but wrong, I think. There are no rules about “ending and starting investigations because of the political cycle.” There are rules about talking about investigations, aimed at avoiding law enforcement meddling in elections. Of course, James Comey, as always, knew better.

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It’s what counts as courage in the Senate. The House rolled over a long time ago, not a peep, but only efforts to aid and abet.

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The fact is you’re not going to read this headline or anything about this chat anywhere else. He was in a comfort zone on right wing talk radio.

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The lack of clarity by Democrats and the media about this is typically enraging.

the FBI/CIA had information that actors getting close to Trump (Page, Popudopolus) had Russian connections and associations. Had they NOT invested, and it turned out that they let the Russians compromise a presidential campaign, it would have been dereliction of duty.

Easiest, best way (before getting documents via subpoena) is to send someone who is friendly to go talk to them, see what they say. In no way is this “spying” as the person is simply talking to them. The informant only reports what they are told, they don’t “spy.”

But under-girding all of the commentary is a weird assumption that Trump was the target off all of this. While we now know he and his mentally defective kids and his “fixers” were up to their eyeballs in illegality, the purpose of this all was initially to PROTECT Trump.

As McCain said, any patriotic American upon being approached for foreigners or with an offer of illegal help would have called the FBI, I am sure the FBI started out assuming so would Trump. The investigation IMHO was too slow to assume criminality by Trump and Co., not the other way around.

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And carry Trumpp’s bag. No! Not that bag, Lindsey!

Like the equally worthless Senator Flake, Miss Lindsey just spouts off occasionally to garner applause from his MSM buddies. Graham and Flake don’t actually do anything. Ever.

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By supper Graham will be walking this back and saying “spy” and “informant” are synonyms and the FBI needs put under a microscope.

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Graham will reverse himself before the first nine holes are done. A profile in courage he ain’t.

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“I don’t know if there’s a reason to have a confidential informant following a campaign. But let’s put it this way. There needs to be some protocols in place if this ever happens again. Right now, there are rules saying you can’t, you know, you don’t want investigations to change political cycles. So there’s rules about, you know, ending and starting investigations because of the political cycle.”

I never heard rules about ending/starting investigations because of political cycles; what I have read about are either formal or informal rules about publicly discussing investigations during elections - the formal or informal rules which James Comey violated twice with regard to Hillary Clinton - but managed to follow with regard to Bloatus.

And there are certainly protocols that allow investigations of campaigns - if a campaign is suspected of criminal activity, shit happens ya know, it will be investigated.

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I’ve been openly gay since I was 18, nearly 45 years, and I’ve put up with more shit than you will if you live to be 100. So I will say whatever the hell I want about a closet case like Senator Lindsey Graham - and I have!
So go take a flying leap off of the Tallahatchie Bridge, billyjoe.

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