Discussion for article #246113
Hatch is referring to the presidency of Cuba.
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Yeah, but most of the important Supreme Court Justices are dead now.
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Gee, I hope there isn’t a 4-4 tie.
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Old SC or the as yet to be announced new SC?
Curious minds.
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SCOTUS ain’t gonna agree or disagree on anything, you stupid fucknut, until you and your traitorous Republican colleagues approve an eminently qualified Obama nominee to the High Court.
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So is Hatch saying that even if Obama was born in Kenya to her American mother, he would have thought Obama was also eligible. Even without a long form certificate?
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Well that’s backhanded support for ya. Sen. Ted Cruz, meet the asphalt and the bus’s two front wheels.
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The constitution reads, in part: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…”. That clause of the ‘time of the Adoption’ was put in by Hamilton, who was born outside the country. Neither of his parents were citizens, but then of course, no one was a US citizen at the time. I think that the addition of that clause suggests that a person has to be born in the US (or a US territory). A person born to parents travelling outside the country is ok, I would think, but Cruz’s parents were not travelling in Canada, they were living there. I think Cruz is ineligible. Rubio was born in the US, so he is eligible.
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GOP Sen Prez Pro Tem: “I Think Cruz Is Eligible For Prez, But SCOTUS Might Disagree.”
So he’s disqualifying Cruz from voting on SCOTUS nominations per conflict of interest?
And Rubio, too, since he has a vested interest in SCOTUS ruling against Cruz?
Thanks for clarifying, Sen. Hatch.
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Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) — Republicans’ most senior senator and the chamber’s president pro tem – said he believed Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) is eligible to be president, but that the Supreme Court “in this raucous day and age” might disagree.
“A four-four court functions. It’s functioned in the past. It will function this time. Just on the really controversial issues they will probably put them off for a year. It’s not the end of the world,” Hatch [said][1].
sigh
[1]: http://api.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/orrin-hatch-says-a-split-court-is-no-biggie
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Sorry, Ted “the Canadian anchor baby” Cruz is not a natural born citizen, but instead a citizen by statute due to being born to a citizen mother outside the US and its territories.
Case closed.
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can someone explain to me how and when this could get to the supremes.
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"I’m Star Jones Orrin Hatch, and I’m a lawyer!
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‘sixth of never’
barring Cruz really creating a fire, Trump is winning that nod and he will likely be facing Hillary in November. Add to it, that Americans attention spans are often concentrated on one word, the moment when Cruz is beaten like a govt mule, no one will give a damn about eligibility again.
It must be wonderful to be so immune to nuance, and so ignorant about the origins of our laws. Your assurance that you know what the founders meant is probably a great comfort to you. It certainly spares you from any of that messy, confusing “thinking” stuff.
Alas, the reality isn’t quite that simple. The history of the English common law definition of “natural born,” from which the U.S. provision was drawn, is considerably more complex. Originally, it did, indeed, refer only to those born on English soil, parentage be damned. It was then modified to include the children of English men, even if born elsewhere. But interestingly, when the U.S Constitution was being written, that had not been extended to the children of English women.
In short, it’s not at all clear which of the various definitions of “natural born” the Framers had in mind.
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He’s also a multi instrumentalist……
cruz is eligible and thoroughly unqualified to be president.
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So, let’s file a suit in a blue state and get a lower court ruling that says Cruz isn’t eligible. Then we’ll refer it to the Supreme Court, and they’ll wind up with a 4-4 tie.
Sorry, Rafael. No White House for you.
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