Discussion: GOP Sen. Says Sanders Accuses O’Care Repeal Supporters Of Murder

You may not see it, Orrin, but many people in your state will die because they have been refused health care by your law. They would still be alive if health care hadn’t been taken from them by you, so you killed them, in very real terms.

If you kill with malice, a lot of people would call that murder.

Say what you like about Rodman, that crazy mofo owns any room he walks into.

Fuck you, Orrin.

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More the message than the candidate, in the GA6, from what I’ve been hearing. Or at least, the messaging. Too much was focused on trying to win over rural whites, and not enough on trying to maximize turnout. Money diverted from TV ads to gotv efforts (especially in the initial run-off!) could have changed the outcome.

None of which is Pelosi’s fault. She doesn’t run the DCCC or the DNC. I’m all for holding people accountable, but let’s make sure they’re the right people. When your saw breaks its teeth, you don’t throw out your hammer.

As for Maher… Maher had some good ideas… 20 years ago. He’s steeped them deeply and often in his deep and rich pot of bitterness. Does he get things right sometimes? Yes, he does. Does he sometimes go off the deep end? Oh, hell yes. So take what Maher says with a foot-wide salt lick.

Yes, we need to get the messaging down better. But the kind of ideological purity Maher demands will cost seats. He’s basically doing a Susan Sarandon, only in a more cynical way. I’d say it’s wrong to say “Republicans want minorities and the poor to die.”

I’d say it’s right to say “Based on their policies, Republicans don’t care about minorities and the poor, and would happily let them all die if it meant a 0.1% tax cut for the rich.” Or, for the soundbite: “Republicans don’t care who they kill, if there’s a tax cut involved.”

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Taos! One of my favorite spots! Make sure you get to the Rio Grande gorge bridge. Beautiful!

Trump’s response is so predictable. He goes in thinking like this is a real estate deal (all things are transactional, right?) and so the strategy is when it gets rough to walk away to force a better deal. LMFAO.

Pearl clutching is so passe.

But Mr Hatch , you voted for the murders to take place .

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It’s not murder. At best it’s negligent homicide.

Just temporary, I’m sure.

Probably too focused on ‘solving’ the opioid (?) epidemic, restructuring government, and reinvigorating manufacturing right now.

He’ll get to the Arab-Israeli conflict as soon as those are wrapped up.

Shouldn’t be long…
Any time now…
Real soon…

Mulvaney says the goal of the safety net agencies should be to get people OFF of it. Here’s a way to get people off of healthcare. Make insurance unaffordable. Let 'em die if they can’t afford it. Tax cuts are more important.

Hey! Orrin! How 'bout ‘death by a thousand cuts’… is that more to your liking?

What is the difference between murder and genocide? Killing a “large group of people”, I presume 44,000 plus dead people, would constitute a “large group”.

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Orin Hatch used to beam with pride about working with Ted Kennedy on health care. In the 90’s he helped to get CHIP passed because Utah, Mormans, big families. He even spoke at Kennedy’s memorial service. Now he’s gone all crazy or he fears a primary opponent.

Also, if the foo shits, wear it!

Can anyone remember the joke that goes with this punchline? Asking for a friend.

Say it loud and say it proud

Orin Hatch is a murderer!

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IOKIYAR, y’all.

I’m pretty sure Trumpleorangeskin was proposing child labor.

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The brief time when we were not accusing those we disagree with of murder was nice while it lasted.

Right on, Orrin! Bernie shouldn’t be accusing Republicans of murder when it’s technically involuntary manslaughter.

You’re confusing winning over rural, white voters and ignoring/vilianizing them. The latter is what the democrats did after they went all in with gender and race politics in an election that was about the economy. Even if you don’t pander to them, don’t turn them into the villains because one of the impressive things Trump did was turn those type of voters and make them vote like a minority bloc. That’s the sort of thing that ensures the democrats will have trouble in elections in the future. And you’re right about voter turn out. Hillary was a horrible candidate who couldn’t motivate anyone outside of her devoted base who still thinks she’s not to blame for losing the election. (Doesn’t matter if the press and Russians were out to get you, you LOST to DONALD TRUMP.)

Also it’s Pelosi’s fault because while she does great work behind the scenes, she’s is now the red cape the Republicans wave in front of their base to get them out to vote because she is the last known democrat from the Obama area standing. As I said before, the reason the Republicans were able to get out the votes to win in Georgia (outside of the fact that they didn’t learn that going to the right NEVER wins.) is because the Republicans ran ads 24/7 linking Ossoff to Pelosi, and it got enough apathetic republicans to vote for some mook.

As for your idea that Democrats shouldn’t get into the mud, that’s where you’re wrong. In politics you need a clear villain to face off against. And the democrats are always weak willed to cast the Republicans as villains and to expose them for all their sins. Even if it’s a lie, it doesn’t matter if they get it to stick. Just keep saying Trump colluded with the Russian’s attack on the America, and that he’s stealing tax payer money by enriching himself and his family. Give people a reason to fight because as Maher pointed out ‘Let’s wait for all the facts to come out’ Is a terrible campaign slogan.

Your slogan, while more to the point, is to long, and overthought. Branding the republicans as murders is what would get people to turn their heads and look into why they hate the poor. And that won’t backfire unless you’re a spineless moderate who would be a retard to vote for Trump if the ‘tone’ is their problem.

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