Discussion: GOP Rep: I Haven't Given Confederate Flag Much Thought

Fighting for their states, which had seceeded and gone to war to preserve slavery…

2 Likes

Love the West Side Story quote. Way to go.

The Confederate Flag is now like rape in 2012; Republicans just can’t talk about them without totally fucking that chicken.

2 Likes

We beat the Nazis, too, but you don’t see that flag flying over any government facility. Mr. Boehner, take down that Wall/flag.

1 Like

Boehner is so fixated on keeping control that he would campaign for John Wayne Gacy if he was the GOP nominee in a winnable district.

2 Likes

“[A] majority of people that actually died in the Civil War on the Confederate side did not own slaves.”

What really galls me is this is a worthless deflection. So fucking what?

The so-called “Confederate States of America” was explicitly founded on white supremacy and the protection of the institution of slavery.

This dipshit really needs to go back to school and re-take a basic primer on United States History. Here’s a helpful start:

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away… Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.”

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

– Confederate Vice President
Alexander Stephens
Savannah, Georgia
March 21, 1861

3 Likes

Beyond awesome!

1 Like

Say, Rep. Calvert, according to your house.gov bio, you were born and raised in California. Last time I checked, not a part of CSA. Care to explain your fantasyland motivation to honor “southern heritage” and all those heroic confederate soldiers? In your answer, please discuss the real CSA history of a failed, treasonous rebellion founded for no other reason than to protect its racist economic foundation.

1 Like

Shorter Ken: Yeah, I know the flag is carried a lot by racist scum but I have no idea why people think I’m racist scum when I carry it. It’s my precious heritage of which I know very little except for the idea that many of those fighting under it weren’t aware that the fight was all about slavery. So of course they would love to have their graves desecrated with a flag designed to celebrate slavery.

Dear Clueless:

Here is a short history lesson:

  1. The leaders of the Confederacy believed it was all about slavery and said so publicly.
    See for example (quoted at greater length about) this from the Confederate Vice President:

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

– Confederate Vice President
Alexander Stephens
Savannah, Georgia
March 21, 1861

No literate member of the Confederacy could have failed to be aware of this.

  1. The CF was explicitly designed to celebrate white racism.

  2. Robert E. Lee the guy you claim to revere said at the end of the war to furl the flag and leave it in the attic.

  3. The flag reappeared to fight civil rights in the 1960s.

Get a clue.

Sincerely,

The Next Majority

2 Likes

Right up there with “Guns don’t kill people, people do.”.

“I haven’t given it much thought because it’s something in the South
you kind of grow up being around, just seeing it at different venues or
whatever. But I have never thought of it as a racist flag.”

And segregation wasn’t racists cuz he grew up around it.
Thanks for the derp Mr Westmoreland.

Now that’s a lot like a local activity here in the Arizona desert. When the under 25 age group encounter a rattlesnake what you heard is along the lines of “Hey, hold my beer and watch this!” Which leads to a trip to the emergency room.

If a politician’s intelligence is challenged by a box of hammers, how is it that they get elected…the politician, not the hammers. Although come to think on it… in some cases the hammers look damned good comparatively.

2 Likes

After House pages silenced all recording devices and confiscated all note pads, Lynn added: “And the White race isn’t superior to the browns, Everyone is equal, but we’'re just luckier or better, and people don’t quite understand that yet.”

1 Like

your “Heritage” is one of evil, the evil of slavery, of treating human beings as chattel. it isn’t a heritage of which you should be particularly proud. if it were mine, I’d try to avoid it like the plague. but then, I’m actually aware of the “Heritage” of which he speaks, his “Heritage”, of which he claims to be so proud of, is a made up one, created in an effort to keep people from remembering what the actual pre-war south was like.

it’s unfortunate you got such a crappy US history education rep. Westmoreland, but that doesn’t change the fact that the flag in question, and all the flags of the confederacy represent treason in defense of slavery.

idiot.

A few years ago Westmorland was ranked one of the dumbest congressman. Not Gohmert level but close.

Imagine if for the past 50 plus years the Democrats had flown the Hammer and Sickle at state capitals. Named highways and streets and placed monuments in town squares honoring Stalin, Alger Hiss and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. The current congress would have removed this stuff from day one.

1 Like

And when he called the Obamas “uppity” he clarified that he’d never heard it used with any racial overtones; when he was growing up it simply meant “snobbish.” Move along folks, no racism to see here.

1 Like

He’s not black either. But then it’s all about the white man, huh? Such a moron!