Discussion: GOP Rep: I Haven't Given Confederate Flag Much Thought

Yes, that has a lot to do with it (not that that is the start of the issue, but another sinstance in a lounge string of such instances).

I went to elementary and middle school in Texas, early 1980s. It was positively asserted time and time again that the Civil War was, contrary to common misconception, not at all about slavery, and that the slavery issue became important only later in the war when Lincoln decided that declaring southern slaves free would distract the southern populace.

I am very ashamed to admit that I held that belief all the way through high school, and even then wasn’t really challenged on it (this being in California, far from the ā€œgreatā€ Texas education system) until much later I started looking into it on my own as an adult. Indoctrination of this sort is absolutely pernicious, and don’t think for a minute that it is not entirely intentional on the part of lingering racists seeking to justify their racist pasts as a natural reaction to wrongs committed against their racist ancestors.

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Of course. That is just a continuation of the same myth-making, white-washing and perversion of history that has been occurring since the Civil War was still being waged by the traitors in the so-called ā€œConfederate States of Americaā€.

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OK I was literally going to say this exact thing. In the literal sense of the word ā€œliterally.ā€ I gotta be faster on the comments…

Anyway, I’ll pick on this part:

There, fixed that for you, Lynn. Rich slave-owning white people convinced poor non-slave-owning white people to fight for rich slave-owning people’s right to own poor black people. This is not a ā€œheritageā€ worth remembering, except in shame and remorse.

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It IS more important for the black man to understand where the white man is coming for, isn’t it?

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Exactly. This in at is just a continuation of the same mythology and propaganda which began in selling the Civil War to even its own population in the South, and has continued unabated to this day.

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How can we determine if it’s a good guy with the flag
or a bad guy with a flag?

Or is there a difference?

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As I’ve noted in other venues, some of my relatives were Austrians who fought for Nazi Germany. I’m sure they were very brave and probably had redeeming qualities, but I’m not going to fly the flag of Nazi Germany to honor them.

No, and if they were alive and if they were at all like some people that I have met who fought on the German side, they would not want to be in any way associated with any Nazi symbol.
I know of a fine man who served in German armed forces - he speaks little of it - but will occasionally discuss it with measured tones and great sadness - can’t hold anything against him - he too was somewhat a victim of circumstances - he was a 14 year old cook on a Uboat - had no choice in the matter - it was in the latter portion of the war.
You would never, never see him dressing up in ā€˜historic’ Nazi garb… never, never see him display Nazi memorabilia

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Using his logic, displaying the swastika shouldn’t be considered racist or antisemitic either, it’s just been ā€œmisused.ā€ After all, the symbol existed long before Adolf adopted it for his political party. Yeah, that’s GOP logic for you.

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"I haven’t given it much thought "

The soundtrack to the Teatroll movement.

ā€œit’s something in the South you kind of grow up being around, just seeing it at different venues or whatever. But I have never thought of it as a racist flag.ā€

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ā€œI haven’t given it much thought because it’s something in the South you kind of grow up being around, just seeing it at different venues or whatever. But I have never thought of it as a racist flag.ā€
–Rep. Westmoreland

Hokey smokes, Bullwinkle, did he just say a symbol of sedition, white supremacy and slavery isn’t racist because it’s popular?

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Geez, think about that for a minute…the rich STILL using the poor to get more rich…

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ā€œā€¦does he understand why, where I’m coming from?ā€

Umm. No, unless what you’re saying by some Jiu-Jitsu logic is that the universal symbol of slavery and oppression is NOT racist… But this is ridiculous. Are you ridiculous? That’s where he is coming from.

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I have no problem with a Confederate memorial day, as long as it’s observed in the proper spirit – comparable to Holocaust Remembrance Day.

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Beat me to it; the unofficial slogan of today’s Republican Party.
EDIT: Heh, nice addition.

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If you want to honor your descendants, i have no problem with that, either.

Most of mine haven’t been born yet.

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This is the goober who wanted statues of the Ten Commandments placed in all government buildings, yet when asked by Stephen Colbert to name them, only managed two.

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ā€œ[A] majority of people that actually died in the Civil War on the Confederate side did not own slaves.ā€
Who fired the first shot of our Civil War? Where was it fired? The session was led by the slave owning oligarchs of the time their neighbors’ young to fight and die for an unlawful cause in defense of an indefensible economic system. Does history repeat itself?

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ā€œThe question is does he understand where I’m coming from?ā€

No. The question is: ā€œWhy don’t you?ā€

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ā€œThe question is does he understand where I’m coming from?ā€ Westmoreland said, when a reporter asked if he understood where Lewis was coming from. ā€œIf I believe it comes from heritage, does he understand why, where I’m coming from?ā€

Yes, obviously that IS the question. Who cares where the black guy is coming from, the more important question is, does the black guy understand where the white guy is coming from.

Nope. No underlying racism there at all.

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should read sending their neighbors young to fight… I don’t know how to edit after sending .