A matter of interpretation JEP.
If ®s put forth sane proposals?
By all means do what is best for the country.
But that’s not going to happen too often.
And if the President throws a spanner into the works-- when the insane is proposed?
That’s where the ‘Do unto ®s…’ ploy becomes prudent.
jw1
If Obama sticks to his guns, he’ll pin anti-immigration on the GOP for two to three generations. If it weren’t just raw politics, it would be an accomplishment that rivals Obamacare
Very good Mr. President. Take the fight to them.
Well…whats all the bitching about? You cant impeach a president for the lawful use of his constitutionally granted powers…just because you don’t like how he does it.
But if immigration is a concern of America’s Hispanic community…why did more of them vote GOP’er in this election than any other? Why do so many not vote at all?
Fuck 'em. If they want it they need to do what’s necessary to get it.
This is just the beginning…
I want to slap the shit out of every lazy motherfucker who wouldn’t get off their ass and vote.
I want to believe that Grandmaster Obama is playing 11-dimensional chess again, with the goal of having the new Republican Congress pass the immigration reform that he wants. He is setting them up to look like obstructionists again, when it comes to immigration reform, except this time people know that the GOP controls both houses of Congress.
McConnell’s idea of compromise is that Obama signs off on the entire GOP agenda. Ain’t gonna happen.
If Eli Lake can be believed, the “solution” is being designed:
You think the fact that Obama will be acting within his constitutional powers will stop them from impeaching him?
They’re going to invent a reason.
On the other hand, having a President Biden might be better than getting a Grand Bargain, chained CPI, Keystone XL pipeline and the TPP.
C’mon Ted Cruz, I double-dog dare you to stir the impeachment pot in the House.
My endearing vision of the next two years is of the RepiguKKKlans tearing each other apart like a pack of hungry jackels.
And…cooperating with the Repukes is not only an exercise in futility and self-flagellation, but would be akin to the chaps at Auschwitz who worked with the guards in charge in exchange for a slightly better momentary existence…their fate was, however, in the end the same as those they betrayed for a slight gain.
There is just no downside to an executive order limiting deportations. The nutballs of the GOP will fume but they would do that no matter what the president does. I say go balls to the wall and provoke the Cruz caucus into impeaching.
As Jon Stewart so eloquently said, who the fuck are these guys (talking conciliatory and all)? Oh yeah, this is who they are.
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Republicans fixed it, huh?
McConnell: 'Don’t piss on that turd I dropped in the punchbowl!"
And “voter fraud” seems to be a thing of the past as well.
Help me out fellow TPMers.
I had been very frustrated about something that I may have finally thought through, and wanted to throw it out here to get some opinions about it.
I’ve been under what I now perceive as the mistaken opinion that all these Citizens United PAC ads (see the link below) sway undecided voters at the last minute, and my consternation was mainly born from the doubts that ANYONE could be undecided in this or any election over the past decade.
It just seemed unreasonable that there were ANY fence-sitters to be swayed in the first place, let alone enough to change some of these close elections.
But I’m beginning to realize, those ads aren’t intended to convince fence-sitters, they are intended to GOTV that is already out there, but not enthused or excited enough to vote until their passions are ignited by the trash-talking, ad revenue generating right wing PAC ads.
Those ads don’t actually convince anyone of their cause, there really ARE NOT any or many fence-sitters remaining at all. They just appeal to those already so inclined and give them a good reason to go vote about it. Or they get one of their friends or relatives so fired up and indignant, those people go forth and gather their otherwise lazy or complacent fellows to join them in their angry determination.
Those ads aren’t actually process or policy ads, they are GOTV engines to the lazy base, intended to ignite indignation and contempt, which is why they tap fear and loathing so reliably because those emotions elicit both anger and determination, especially in conservative enclaves.
So, this is another one of those “duh” realizations that probably shouldn’t seem like a revelation to me or anyone else. But it really struck home after this election, because of the closeness of so many of these races, and my confusion and subsequent consternation that so many voters could be undecided at such a late date in the election game to actually change the final outcome in spite of all the polls.
Democrats need to keep that in mind. If they had gone after the youth vote instead of trying to lure so many of those older voters across party lines, they might have made the difference. Those crossover votes just weren’t available, and probably never will be.
Iowa and Colorado (and a few other races, too) might both have gone the other way if they had gone after the younger voters intensively, instead of wasting their time and resources and stump speeches on the older voters, who were already locked in but might not have voted if they hadn’t been moved by the CU PAC ads.
we agree, then, that doing the right thing and handing some well-deserved karma to the R’s represent pretty much the same thing…
RepiguKKKlan advisers , especially those in TEAlibangelical South Jesusland America, look to be very very harsh on immigration:
I think the president could have saved a few seats by taking the action on immigration prior to the election. Now if he doesn’t do it as he said by the end of the year the party may be totally doomed in 16.