Discussion for article #229402
Iâm sort of with the defense. Doesnât seem like this kid was part of a conspiracyâjust didnât help with the investigation afterwards.
Being a stoner with a aversion to authority isnât much of a threat to national security. I hope he gets a light sentence.
I have a tough time with the idea that itâs a criminal offense just to lie to investigators. They certainly donât hesitate for a second to lie to suspects, witnesses, or anyone else at their convenience. I donât have a lot of sympathy for anyone involved in terrorism, even peripherally, but they canât charge him with a crime so they get him for lying?
Aside from the fact that this kidâs life is now ruined for something I donât even think should be illegal, this more than reinforces the idea that one should never talk to the police or other authorities. Iâve never committed a criminal offense (traffic laws aside), but I canât envision a situation in which Iâd speak so much as a word to police (or even more so federal authorities) in any circumstances. IMO the âus versus themâ situation is worsening every day, and it must be having an effect on good law enforcement. Theyâve done everything in their power to earn the distrust of ordinary citizens.
Absurd. Just absurd, excessive, frightening.
Three people died including an 8 year old boy and sixteen people lost limbs a fact these guys were aware of when they decided to hide evidence. Youâre a lot more forgiving than I am.
You all must have forgotten that the FBI was in pursuit of two mass bombers, who went on to kill a guard and someone else before being hunted down. This stoner didnât do his duty to all of usâŚin fact he got in the way of the people trying to protect us.
Sometimes I want to join the GOP.
Hychkaâ
I agreed until your last line non-sequitor. The GOP would not have helped investigate or prevent the bombing. If anything, their brand of anti-government rhetoric, often calling for violence against perceived enemies, probably led to an atmosphere that encouraged it.
You want to join the GOP because you donât agree with a few posters?!!
I agree with you, btw. This kid lied and withheld information. If he wasnât convicted, what message does that send? That it is okay to obstruct an investigation?
And those that say he should be able to lie because the authorities lie? Does that mean it is okay to kill a police officer because they kill innocent people?
I donât want to live in your world, sorry. However, I have absolutely no desire to join the GOP.
How Confusion and Stupidity Become a Crime â Is technology making us smarter?
I donât at all trust the police. Not in the least. But if there was a situation where I could help the police catch a violent criminal, I would absolutely do my civic duty and help them. Iâm not going to let a rapist, murderer, child predator, wife beaters, etc. get away with hurting people and go on to hurt more people because I donât trust the police. Some things are bigger than ourselves.
In this case, these guys helped and aide and abet terrorists. They should go to jail. Many more people couldâve been hurt or killed behind their foolishness. Itâs one thing to protect a friend from going to jail for, say, possessing some drugs, and quite another to protect a friend who has just killed three people and maimed 16 others.
A couple of things to rememberâŚ
Youâre not required to talk to law enforcement. Youâre not required, in that wonderful British phrase, to âassist the police with their inquiries.â If they âinviteâ you down to the station to chat about something, you donât have to go. If they have probable cause, they can arrest you. If not, you can tell them to have a nice day, and close the door.
If you are placed under arrest, invoke your right to remain silent until youâve got an attorney present. It doesnât matter how innocent you may be - just shut the fuck up.
Even if you want to help the police by volunteering information, but youâre in a situation in which you might be somehow connected to the criminal, it would be wise to say nothing until youâve got an attorney with you. Granted, thatâs difficult if you canât afford an attorney, yet havenât been placed under arrest (so you canât get a public defender).
He did more than lie to authorities; with the knowledge of what his âfriendâ did killing 3 people, including an 8 years old and blowing the limbs off 16 others, he actively hid evidence.
Iâll agree that this is different in degree to actually participating in the act of terrorism itself, but he is hardly a victim here. And he undeniably participated after the fact. Heâs very lucky he wasnât charged with conspiracy after the fact.
I do hope the judge exercises some discretion on sentencing taking into account his age and his degree of culpability, but Iâm not hopeful. 8 years is too long for what he did, much less 16.
Very true. A lawyer friend once told me that once you are under arrest you should shut up because âyou can only ever talk yourself into more trouble, never out of it.â But if youâre not in trouble and arenât under arrest nor are you suspected of being involved, thatâs a different story.
It is always a crime to lie to the police or federal authorities, whether under arrest, or not. You either tell them the truth, or you tell them nothing. You have no obligation to cooperate and police canât âtake you into custodyâ without charging you with a crime â never mind that they do this all the time. Any time you feel you are being detained by police, you should always be asking this simple question: Officer, am I free to go?
This kid needs to feel lucky, that being found guilty of lying to the FBI is the only crime he was convicted of. He could have been convicted of aiding and abetting a felon, and on a federal level, with that felon being a bomber, that would have been much more serious of a conviction.
I have no problem with a punishment for hiding evidence. But from what I understand, this guy had nothing to do with the bombing itself, or the planning of the bombing.
In my opinion, heâs a traitor to the US, and should be given the death penalty. Actually, I could care less about some third world student. Iâm more concerned about the next dim-witted âinnocent,â who aids and abets a terrorist.
Yeah Iâm no fan of the authorities and Iâm a committed friend as well as a stoner, but if one of my friends blew blew up a bunch of innocent people I wouldnât be lying to the FBI about evidence.
I hope he gets a fair sentence,and I think it could be pretty harsh and still fair. This is not lying to the authorities to get out of being caught with a joint, something I would be a lot more forgiving of.
One can see why the average citizen might be confused.
If I could help catch a criminal, Iâd cooperate with the police too. Starting the minute my lawyer got there. And Iâm really, really sorry I feel that way. I didnât always, but theyâve convinced me that no one will protect my interests but me.