Rappers?
Just kidding.
Been there, done that. He had a long and influential career as a Senator - from the 70s up through the mid-nineties or whenever it was he left to become President of OU.
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There was a video of the house mother offensively singing a rap song which emerged after she denied the use of the n-word in the house. So my guess is that someone got tired of the racism.
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As if anyone believed that this didnāt come from the national organization. Itās a feature not a bug.
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The Hate Boat
Soon will be making another run.
The Hate Boat
Making racists of everyone!
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They didnāt share the ship with the āNational Review Cruiseā crowd by any chance?
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I think the SAE fraternity brothersā racism is egregious, morally reprehensible, and has no place in contemporary discourse. Iād be perfectly happy if SAE was barred from recruiting on every campus in the country (although that wonāt happen, because donations).
But that doesnāt mean that I agree with President Borenās response. Why? Because I believe in free speech, even when the content of that speech sickens me and makes me ashamed to be an American. I also believe in due process, which by all accounts the students were denied. Liberals have to defend these rights, because no one else will.
There is no due process on a college campus. There are certain situations, your job or school, where you arenāt promised or afforded due process. Also, these guys were on video and admitted to having participated. What more is there to do? Should they have had a trial? Free speech is not at issue here. You have a right to say whatever you damn well please and without fear of reprisal from the government, but there is no right to say as you please without fear of reprisal from your school or your job or the public. Free speech isnāt the right to run around offending people without consequences, itās the right to run around offending people without consequences from the government. Thereās a big difference.
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More likely Beamers. These guys are found in high positions in business and government throughout the Southeast.
Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow had a segment last night where SAE acronym is for Sexual Assault Expected. Back in my day we called them the āSnAkEā house.
Yeah, I called this weeks ago. The chant wasnāt a new thing and it wasnāt something that the OU chapter made up on its own. Time to shine a light into the closet and see what scurries out.
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Oh, geezā¦heās truly been a champ on this, and lord knows replacing Inhofe with any Dem would be ecstasy-inducing; but I canāt help remembering what a thoroughgoing pain in the ass he was in the Senate in the '90s. Lawrence OāDonnell once said he would withhold his vote on Dem initiatives and when asked what itād take to get him, heād literally say, āI need to be in the center.ā He literally, openly calibrated his positions to be precisely between wherever the Dem and GOP positions were at any given moment. Of course, too many Dems have done that for too long, which is how weāve been dragged so far right all this time; but no Dem was more explicitly troublesome for his caucus. I assume itās a moot issue anyway, since I doubt heād to go back even if he thought Oklahoma were still capable of pulling the āDā lever for anyone, so I wonāt have to endure the indigestion Iād get from rooting for him to win. Better he stay in a position where we can admire him for being a mensch. Which he certainly has been on this.
[Woah, sorry for the rant; āSenator Borenā is sort of a āslowly I turnā trigger for meā¦]
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Individual students perhaps ā the organization itself, however, was openly stating an intent to discriminate (or even commit acts of violence). So I think he absolutely had the right to withdraw university recognition of the organization.
This is a state institution. Private colleges can get away with a lot more ārulesā that challenge notions of fairness. But state schools are usually held to a much higher standard in taking disciplinary or enforcement actions against students. People who have threatened to judicially challenge expulsion under UVaās honor code often get reinstated in order for the school to avoid a decision on the merits ā which tells you how much confidence they have about it being upheld if really challenged.
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I absolutely refuse to believe they learned it on a national cruise. This goes against the values and ethics they stand for. They told us so!
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Well, then those guys are welcome to challenge their expulsion in a court of law. Not knowing what the honor code or university rules are or what they entail, I imagine these guys violated any of a number of university rules.
What percentage of SAE members are African-American? Iāve not seen any reporting on this. Anybody know?
Anyone surprised?
I saw the figure reported somewhere earlier today - nationally, 3% African American, 20% non-white overall. Which is higher than I expected.
Interestingly, the founder of the OU chapter in its present incarnation (it had been shut down in the late 80ās after a hazing death I think) is Indian-American. His take on this is worth reading every word.
But here is a taste:
I could say that the actions of a few are impacting the whole. But, letās not kid ourselves. Racism, elitism, hazing, these all seem to be more systemic than localized; and, the culture needs to change, it needs to be overhauled, comprehensibly, and not just swept under the rugā¦for the few years following 1995, the Oklahoma Kappa chapter of SAE, at the University of Oklahoma, was a solid house, that welcomed men of all races, ethnicities, etcā¦But, that house of the 90s no longer exists, and apparently has not existed for many years. That being said, I would rather see the whole thing gone than have to ever be associated with bigots!
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Or Andersonville.
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