I hate these people. I really do. Scumbags.
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Never take on additional vulnerability. I see.
I already donât go out alone after dark. I already donât wear certain types of clothes. I already donât walk a certain way. I already donât call attention to the way my body is shaped. I already donât try to look too attractive. I already make orchestrated arrangements to avoid being alone with a man I donât know really, really well, sometimes at the cost of networking and job contacts. I already cross the street pr lace my keys when possible if Iâm isolated and a man (or group of men) I canât outrun is coming toward me because if I donât and he turns out to be a rapist I will be judged responsible. I already live with the constant message that as a woman I incite criminal intent and am therefore responsible should it happen to me. And itâs also true that when I describe what living as a woman is like to a man sometimes the response is that Iâm paranoid.
Just how much more âadditional vulnerabilityâ should I avoid every single day of my life before we can agree that the only way to stop rape is for rapists not to rape?
Like judging a person having private nude photos to be stolen and not a thiefâs decision to steal, this is devoting time and energy to judging a womanâs choice to drink, not the rapistâs decision to rape.
Tangent: I think part of whatâs going on with all this focus on college campuses and little on other places where rape occurs is that the rapists in these situations - in the minds of these commentators - are not âreal criminals.â You know, like those poor boys in Stuebenville, with their whole lives ahead of them. Mostly white boys from good families, and we wouldnât want them to get derailed by ⌠misunderstandings. If only the girls wouldnât get drunk, the boys wouldnât get, uh, mixed signals. And have their lives ruined, etc. So they harp on the college campus scenario as if that is different from all the other kinds of rape.
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She must have studied at the CeeLo Green School for Social ResponsibilityâŚ
CeeLo Tweet:
âIf someone is passed out theyâre not even WITH you consciously! so WITH Implies consent,â
has blaming the victim become a conservative mantra?
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Yes.
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You know what would work better? Keeping women secluded so they donât tempt men. And certainly not wearing that clingy green top, you Jezebel.
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Truly an exercise in polling and Market Research.
FOX, being a business, must have decided that the Business Plan calls for it being OK to go back to pre-1900 thinking.
This must be related to who watches FOX, who would be offended by FOX and their resultant actions (if any), who is apathetic about the whole thing, etc.
This, like popular shows celebrating greed, for example, says much more about the general public than any speech made by any politicianâin fact, I would submit, saying much more than even Nate could calculate.
I guess I will prepare for the hate, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging women not to get wasted at college parties. It is not offensive at all. It is just common sense. That doesnât mean that if they do that they are to blame in any way. The man who takes advantage of a girlâs inebriated state is 100% at fault and should spend some time learning what being taken advantage of is like in prison. But at the end of the day, is spreading a little good advice to women really offensive?
I see it as no different than telling people not to take candy from strangers as a kid. If a kid is lured by some sicko with candy it isnât the kidâs fault at all, and may the monster get what is coming to him. But we still tell the kids not to take candy from strangers. It is a life lesson, learned the hard way by way to many people. I canât see why people would be opposed to teaching that particular lesson to young women. Is it sexist to tell women to never drink a drink given to them by someone else because there might be something in it? How is telling them not to get wasted any different from that?
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Faulkner deserves an eternity in the seventh circle of hell retrieving arrows for the centaurs.
Either that or a weekend with Rush Limbaugh.
I know which one I would choose.
Yep, rape victims need to take responsibility and stop rape. Gunshot victims are probably to blame for being shot, too. And donât even get me started on those Jews in Nazi Germany. Entirely their own fault. They could have prevented antisemitism, you known.
Glad she cleared all of that up for us.
What the hell is it about republicans that they give young men a pass and put the onus to prevent rape on women?
OK, OK ⌠I know⌠itâs because theyâre republicans and this is Fox news talking.
(lays-head-on-desk)
Ya, because it would just be unamerican to expect a fratboy to control his penis!!!
(Snark)
But ⌠but ⌠Lou Dobbs s so serious-looking and has such a deep voice. He must be very wise ⌠just like this guy:\
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Amazing how much the Reich wing focuses on the women and are almost totally silent about the rapists and their responsibility. You almost get the feeling that they believe the women deserve what they get if they drink too much, because, hey, whatta ya gonna do about guys, eh? Retrograde bird brains, everyone of these right-wing nut-jobs.
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No, it is their primary aim.
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As a transwoman who apparently attracts a lot of male attention (Iâve yet to take a single hormone), I can state that you are not paranoid at all. Iâm kind of living a âBlack Like Meâ experience, where I can switch between passing as male and female in the same situation, and I get treated like a piece of meat as a female and as much as that validates my identity it also is definitely an eye-opener.
Iâve heard some hair-raising shit and any guy who wants to bluster that it is just paranoia can talk to me. I have seen both sides of this, and I vote with the women (obviously). Itâs a jungle out there and lots of âmenâ need a leash. An electric one.
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What youâre saying and what these conservatives types are saying are two different things. Youâre saying people should have common sense. Teach our children to avoid dangerous situations, like donât take candy from strangers. Donât walk down a dark alley with money hanging out of your pockets. Donât drink yourself senseless around people you donât trust.
Theyâre saying that women on campus should take personal responsibility for stopping rape by doing X, Y or Z. Unspoken and loud and clear is âand if you donât and you get raped, thenâŚYOU ARE PARTIALLY TO BLAME because you didnât listen to us and take personal responsibility for preventing what happened to you.â
Theyâre talking about it a LOT too - that itâs up to women to stop rape. Because our society has blamed women for rape since the dawn of time, these semantics really matter. Theyâre trying to dress them up as common sense but peel off that narrow layer and theyâre diverting attention to the womanâs choices and away from the rapistâs choices.
And theyâre not spending any time at all talking about ways to get rapists not to rape. No air time telling young men that if a woman canât form the word âyesâ or ânoâ and they have sex with her theyâre a felon. They just gloss over that (it is what it is? WTF?!) and talk about what the woman did or didnât do.
âHow drunk was sheâ is the new âwhat was she wearing.â
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Just think the legendary TV weatherman from the 70âs, Tex Antoine was fired for less.
Fox is paying Harris $3-4,000 per appearance (think wardrobe, hair, etc., plus premia for age, gender and skin pigmentation) so youâd think she could at least try not to get her talking points cross-wired, which seems to be what happened here.
âItâs not like, you know, back in the day when they would blame us for what we had on.â"
Actually, that excuse is still used as a justification to this very day. Nowadays, itâs not just that, but among other things, how much alcohol you choose to consume.
Some people will never run out of reasons to try to excuse rape and defend rapists.
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