Discussion: Flynn Lawyers Break Off Contact with Trump Team, In Possible Sign of Plea Deal

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Nothing is too good for the troops. That’s why Don and Melania bought all the plastic-wrapped cold turkey sandwiches and Frito-Lay products from the Circle K to serve to Coast Guardsmen today at Coast Guard Station Lake Worth Inlet.

That, my friends, is how a Dotard shows his appreciation for active duty service members. Seriously.

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This scenario is nothing like “In Like Flint” except for the treason, and Flynn is the antithesis of Flint.

Just saying.

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He is such a low-class freak it kills me!

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This Thanksgiving meal is an insult! I’ve seen better spreads at the Motel Six continental breakfast bar.

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Happy Thanksgiving everyone! This is wonderful news that brightened an already beautiful day :slight_smile: cheers!

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Is Malaria made of wood?

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“Quinion also notes that the title of the film In Like Flint (1967) is a play on the term, and that has led to a malapropism where some speakers believe that is the original phrase.[1]”

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as manafort was indicted for actions prior to any trump campaign, remember obama fired flynn in 2014… how far back is Mueller looking into flynn’s (et al) past actions?

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That was my first thought too. It looks like a department store mannequin.

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Ok, this part here helps bring some rational thought to what Cobb might have in mind. Dude is no dummy and he has to be playing solely for his client’s survival. Using Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Kushie and maybe a few others as human shields could very well be why he wants things to play out as quickly as possible. Mueller chews up some folks, gives a few immunity to make his case(s) and then boom, Trump throws out a too-bad-so-sad for his fallen comrades while invoking privilege and pardons as cover/survival.

Cobb has been so darn passive; khyber900’s explanation makes a lot of sense describing the game Cobb’s playing.

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AKA - Karma

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Too many to post individually.

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A fawn freezes at the scent of a wolf.

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I think, a lot of the delay in charging him, is that they were leery of granting immunity to such a high level official who essentially committed treason. NSA is probably the 4th most important appointed foreign policy/ security official after the Chairman of the Joint chief of staff, Defense secretary and Secretary of State. If he commits treason, he needs to go jail, even if their are bigger fish to fry.

I think that Mueller probably more recently gathered the evidence to go after his son, and so can offer Flynn’s son immunity, while flipping Flynn and still sending Flynn to jail.

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Actually it is low pressure systems that cause storms and the like, high pressure systems are associated with clear sunny skies. But with Trump we are already halfway through the looking glass. So anything is possible.

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Flynn is just some guy who volunteered on my campaign to make turkey sandwiches, believe me…

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Its actually pretty common practice, and typically there is no ethics problem involved. Prosecutions try to show as little of their case as they can, while in the investigation stage, and defendants will therefore band together to share what they each learn from questions/evidence they are each presented with. Likewise, as soon as one defendant starts to cooperate/seek a deal, they must end such cooperation with other defendants, from an ethical standpoint. Flynn’s lawyers are doing that, according to these stories.

Flynn always presented a major Obstruction risk for a Trump pardon, so I have long thought it wasn’t going to happen. The angles Flynn is being investigated for also provide a greater level of “compartmentalization” for Trump, than say, a Manafort of a Kushner (and even a Junior). As such, I had also thought that Flynn really didn’t have much evidence of value to Mueller, thus increasing the chances of no pardon. Evidently I was wrong on this second assumption (though what that evidence may be, is a guess still).

One of the flaws I see presented last night in a few of the threads you cited, is that if Trump is unwilling to pardon Flynn because of Obstruction worries, that will make Manafort more likely to sing. If that is the basis of the decision, it has no bearing on Manafort (currently), as the crimes Manafort is charged with (so far) were committed before the campaign, and as such, present a much, much lower risk of Obstruction charges.

IMO, Manafort is still the main target at this point, not Flynn. The indictments against Manafort are more pressure than they are the actual crimes Mueller is pursuing. With that in mind, it may very well be that Flynn is ratting out Manafort the most. Which kind of raises the question and brings us back to the beginning:

These agreements (with written or not) between defense attorneys, in large cases, include lots of defense attorneys for lots of defendants. Flynn’s lawyers may have taken this step, because Flynn is about to spill the beans on someone else, not the President, but they cannot talk to the President’s legal team, because the Presidents team is also talking to whoever Flynn is singing about. Flynn’s lawyer can’t tell Cobb that his client is about to sing on Manafort, because Cobb would be bound to pass that on to Manafort’s lawyers. And they all know this. So the paranoia for everyone just got seriously ratcheted up on this.

I remain unconvinced on this point. Unless Flynn is rolling over on Trump himself, that he was in communication with Russians under direct instructions from Trump. (which would be REALLY bad for Donald). But, anything is possible, and its probably worth a comment upon the sort of creature Flynn is. Flynn is precisely the sort of guy who would take news that Trump isn’t giving him a pardon as a deep betrayal that must be met in kind. His anger at Obama, and the IC in particular, was palpable, because he felt they betrayed him over his firing. Those same emotions are probably in overdrive after hearing he is being thrown under the bus…along with his son. Which means, once an acceptable deal is hammered out (also remember, Flynn’s lawyer was floating the request for both immunity and a pardon, rather publicly and rather desperately, months and months ago), Flynn will be seeking to do the maximum amount of damage possible.

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Now trump is going to act like he doesn’t know who Flynn is

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Except that part. If anything, Cobb would be playing a run out the clock strategy, which would be a very, very suspect strategy for many reasons, both politically and legally. Politically, because as this continues, and more people, particular senior people like you list, get indicted, the WH becomes more and more crippled, on every front. Legally, because the investigations don’t go away once he is out of office. Sure, he can avoid indictment until then, and possibly avoid impeachment (except for…see above. The weaker the WH becomes, the more like that Congress…even a republican Congress…will impeach), but the protections that keep him from being indicted, all disappear once he leaves office.

And 4 years is an awfully long game on something that exploding quite rapidly. High ups in his campaign are already under indictment in less than a year (in less than 6 months, if you use Mueller’s hiring as the starting point).

Pardons in particular, would be devastating to such a strategy. Because every pardon is an admittance of guilt, and those very same people would be compelled to testify against an ex-President Trump who no longer has (the questionable) protection of holding office.

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Flynn?? He was a nobody. He got us coffee a few times…

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