Discussion: Flake: North Korea Tests Show 'Limits Of Economic Sanctions' As Deterrent

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Hello…finally a connection. Dial tone for so long…
If we ever get into the NK countryside we’ll see the Kims use the mind-zapped humans in their charge like coal for an oven.

“What we’ve been doing over the years has certainly not slowed the advance of their nuclear program.

Nonsense - for all we know sanctions etc. kept NK from getting nuclear advancements years sooner. It’s like a sports fans saying that a bad call in the first part of a game guaranteed that the other team was going to win.

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Remember: any military action will result in the deaths of millions upon millions of South Koreans. There is no military solution to the problem of North Korea.

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They are going to possess nuclear ICBM capability. Period. Like many other nations with unstable leadership.

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Do you mean like us?

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:white_check_mark:
Present president excluded… if this happened once why not again? If this idiot country can replace a sane, reasonable, wonky and thoughtful leader with a wingnut because emails, we are unstable.

The fact that we are all now relying upon the military to make up for the gap in civilian leadership is just… well, it’s ruining my Sunday.

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Exactly. Flake can’t have it both ways: it’s either economic sanctions OR it’s war.

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[quote=“coprophagoussmile, post:5, topic:61642”]
There is no military solution to the problem of North Korea.[/quote]

How quickly you seem to have forgotten the lessons of Iraq where we were seen as liberators and greeted with sweets and flowers.

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Yeah but they were Brach’s… yeck!

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Flake is missing the effects China could have on N. Korea.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room. They don’t want the US and allies to use military force because NK borders on China, and I assume that the Russian have the same feeling. If Putin wants to be the leader of the (not free) world here is his chance. But while we wait for China and Russia to come to a decision may I suggest our military use these on our nut case:

(Just as a side note while searching for a ball gag pix it was hard to find one that wasn’t displayed on a female, hmm)

China is probably a lot more worried about the effects of further destabilizing NK–and more illegal immigrants–than they are about NK “getting” the bomb. (Hint: that’s already happened.)

Sooner or later, hopefully, Trump will realize that the only real solution at this point is to accept that they have it and go back to just ignoring them.

Threads on this subject on Politico are chock full of RWNJs blaming the whole thing on Obama as though Bush 43 never happened and the DPRK was a humble, non-nuclear-ambitious, nation the day Obama was elected. Sigh.

Well Jeff, maybe you could get the deranged head of your party to shut the fuck up until a response is worked out. What do you think? Is Congress a co-equal branch or just a quivering mass of indecisive sycophants, trying not to offend trump’s crazed base?

How do ya breathe in that rig??

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Flake, Mattis, Trump, all of them need a field trip to the Veterans of the Korean War Monument. It’s just down the street, the statuary is powerful, and the numbers of casualties from 20+ nations are plainly displayed. We’ve already done this, and it was exceptionally ugly.

The DPRK is not about to commit suicide but it may launch a suicidal preemptive attack on the RoC and Japan if it thinks its hours are numbered.
If Trump does what he’s hinting, he would have that on his conscience… if he had one.

We have not even begun to use economic sanctions. Without Chinese support there is no NK nuke program. There can be sanctions on China’s banks and on trade. It would hurt us. No pain no gain. So what you gonna do, punk? Our economy or a few million dead Koreans?