Discussion: FL House Speaker: Shooting Response Was 'Abject Breakdown At All Levels'

Actually, there’s two.

There’s the NRAs word: Forget.

Then there’s: Vote.

Florida House Speaker Richard Corcoran said Thursday night that his chamber is going to recommend creating a special commission to investigate the “abject breakdown at all levels” that led to the shooting deaths. The Republican said the commission, likely be led by a parent of one of the slain children, would have subpoena power.

Subpoena power is a nice and handy thing to have.

But I suspect that when Corcoran says he wants to investigate the “abject breakdown at all levels,” he is referring to nothing higher than town level.

If he really means “all levels,” let him prove it by his actions.

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Want to investigate?
Start here:

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The deputy was suspended without pay for doing nothing.

Compare that to police who shoot under questionable circumstances.

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There is plenty of blame to go around, but the response of the armed officer is telling. He stood frozen. So much for the “it takes a good guy with a gun to beat a bad guy with a gun” canard. I say we need to stop the shooter before he gets into the uber.

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Brave brave Senator Rubio dares to maybe possibly infringe on the most holy of holy 2d. Such resolve and leadership! O the words he utters.

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@tao

“If we are going to infringe on the Second Amendment, it has to be a policy that will work,” Rubio said
Because the NRA’s stranglehold on research and politicians and it’s dictated policies nationwide are so clearly working.

@boisdevache
shoot and kill. shoot 50 times. imprison someone for a traffic infraction and she ends up dead. feel threatened a group of police and unload a fusilade against a mentally disturbed person whose mother called for help.

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Right. If this deputy had gone in, panicked qmd shot someone other than the killer, would he have been suspended without pay and thrown under the bus? Or would he have been investigated and paid and quietly returned to duty after a few months?

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I personally would like to know: 1) how much was this security officer paid; 2) how was he armed and did he have body armor to protect him from an AR-15? 3) How much training did he receive for a shooter armed with a military assault weapon situation? 4) Would it have been wise for him to go in by himself as armed (assuming he is handgun armed) and attempt to shoot the killer, or would waiting for SWAT been more indicated? 5) And why the FUCK does Sheriff Israel, who did not even have the courage to bring himself to question the NRA Party Line and had to look over at NRA bought Rick Scott repeatedly during his comments the night of the tragedy, get to second guess this school security officer?

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I’m assuming that if he’s the school resource officer, he’s in uniform, and he’s known to a former student who had enough planning ability to trigger the fire alarm to get people into the halls. So what the sheriff was really suggesting was that he charge in and most likely get himself killed, while also most likely killing multiple additional students in his attemps to fire at the murderer.

AFAIK, pretty much all the training for “active shooter” situations involves first figuring out what’s going on before wandering into the kill zone.

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While there is blame all around,a young male with an AR 15,in the world of Trump,could be a good person and not a threat.

I’d like to propose a new aphorism to replace that canard:

“To stop a bad guy with a gun, we need millions of good guys with ballots.”

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said on Thursday. The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have adequately followed up.

The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned on Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video.

“He never went in,” Sheriff Israel said in a news conference. He said the video showed Deputy Peterson doing “nothing.”

It gets worse.

The surveillance video, which was not released, showed Deputy Peterson remained outside the west side of the building for at least four minutes while the gunman was inside, according to Sheriff Israel. The shooting rampage at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School lasted less than six minutes. The video was corroborated by witness statements, Sheriff Israel said.

And worst of all

> Samantha Fuentes, an 18-year-old senior at Stoneman Douglas High who was shot in both legs, said she never saw Deputy Peterson during the “30 minutes” that passed before SWAT officers arrived at the first-floor classroom in which she and other students had been taking a class.

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Countdown until someone on the wingnut right blames BLM for the officer’s hesitation in three, two, one …

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NRA-types always act like it is ‘so easy’ to go into a fire-fight. I don’t know what the man’s training is. But a ‘shooting range’ or a set-up in which the officer has to quickly pick ‘good’ shoots from ‘bad’ shoots’ by their nature are not ‘real.’ I don’t have enough information to dump all over the officer for not running ‘towards’ the gunfire.

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ok but was this guy an actual cop or just some rent-a-dude who was making $9.75 an hour to poke his head in the classroom occasionally and glare at a kid who was cussing out his teacher. because if it’s the second i can understand why he didn’t want to go down in a hail of bullets like al pacino at the end of scarface for 32-5 a year

That’s pretty much it. Everybody is being pretty brave with someone else ass. How many people will actually had gone in outgunned with no cover to an almost certain death and with little change of stopping the shooter? The officer has only one ass and he is not going to risk it in vain, he most likely has a family to think about, you know the selfish gene.

I know I would have done the same as the resource, and whoever says different is either a liar or a hairy palms idiot.

Yes, firemen go into burning houses to save a kitten, but they only do it when there is a fair chance of getting out.

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“If we are going to infringe on the Second Amendment, it has to be a policy that will work,” Rubio said in an interview Thursday with AP.

I cannot for the life of me understand how this idiot was able to be re-elected. Florida must be a celebration of the stupid.

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Now if only we can get an abject breakdown of the system which sells the weapons and ammunition.

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