Discussion: Five Points On Hillary's Speech On Criminal Justice Reform

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she touched on 2 of the most important parts, militarization of police and mass incarceration/unequal rates of jailed Black males. No need to be vague. she needs to be bold and brutally honest. call out the bad actors/ institutions that perpetuate this. she’ll have more supporters doing this. like dealing with a bully, fight back. we won’t irradiate racism which is the largest component but we need to fight for what is right, fight back against the unequal treatment of Black Americans.

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C’mon TPM…you’re very good at addressing nonsense like what I link below (but only when you’re paying enough attention to bother):

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/29/trickle-down-experts-question-clinton-foundation-true-charitable-spending/

Most of us understand that this shit is all nonsense and nontroversy, and can make pretty good arguments to that effct, i.e., that this is RWNJs morons playing semantic games that insist that “charity” is only when you give donations, not when you pay someone to actually do charitable work, but we don’t have time to dive into it and research just how deeply these misrepresentations and mischaracterizations go…or what elements of truth they latch onto as the toe-hold for their speculation and fabrication…such that we can combat them when we see them. Help us generate the arguments.

That being said, if this kind of straining to manufacture accusations of and the public perception of pay-to-play and nefarious quasi-bribery is all they’ve got for 2016, then fucking christ are these idiots desperate.

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POINT SIX of Hillary Clinton’s Five Points:

John Boehner single-handedly blocked the Jobs Bill, which, before the last election, could at least theoretically have passed the Senate.

This has created a situation in which jobs and activity possibly helping desparate urban areas WERE BLOCKED.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is more “shit just got real” than we’ve ever heard from Obama (at least on the stump).

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Its the rights mission to destroy governments credibility as a means to fix anything, and then point to democrats as the party of government.
Kudos to Ms Clinton for standing up and addressing the problem, which is better than whats coming out of the WH or Congress. The punditry class is so out of touch its laughable.

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I disagree. I’ll never forget the moment in his acceptance speech in front of like 85,000 people at Mile High in which he shouted “eight is enough” and the word “enough” echoed for a second or so before the stunned crowd erupted. Never.

"Tonight, I say to the American people, to Democrats and Republicans and Independents across this great land - enough! This moment - this election - is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Eight is enough.”

Magic.

Besides. You’re talking about someone who said “I inhaled. That was the point.” If that’s not pretty much the baseline for “real,” then I dunno what is.

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Good points, all. This should be the Democratic position – and must be employed against the soon-to-come GOP position of “throw 'em all in jail.”

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This is the first thing that Hilary has done since announcing that has impressed me. More like this, please!

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Wow. I’m pretty sure she just called for the decriminalization of low-level drug possession! More of this and I might just become an enthusiastic Clinton supporter.

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I can already see the GOP/FOX response - “How can we take her seriously, she didn’t use the word ‘Thug’ once?!?”

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A great speech. This is a perfect example of what Hillary Clinton is all about. This is what the media wants to prevent the public from seeing with their gossip and innuendo.

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Hi Madame Secretary. Welcome to the front of popular sentiment.

(Seriously, this is a classic “Where the people lead, the leaders will follow.” If we can only get a few followers on the dumbass side of the aisle we might stand a chance of seeing prison and law enforcement reform in the next ten years.)

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"I know we should work together to pursue together to pursue alternative punishments for low-level offenders. They do have to be in some way registered in the criminal justice system, but we don’t want that to be a fast track to long-term criminal activity, we don’t want to create another “incarceration generation.”

Her speech is heartening. I don’t think she’s calling for decrim yet. Good speech, very promising.

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As crime goes down police brutality goes up. The police is having a shortage of crime for their militarization budgets. Case In Point: New Marijuana regulations is costing the police and drug cartels billions.

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Hillary Rodham Clinton aka “Big Momma” come out swing on social justice for 2016 way to go!

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So you think she should not be taking these positions or saying these things?

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I’ll go one further: today’s right has a greed and power addiction with a fetish for destruction (in general) and a fetish for humiliation of its enemies.

The inability to satiate their addictions and fetishes is the real reason of why they hate Obama. The do get some fetish satisfaction out of claiming Obama’s a Marxist, Islamic Kenyan.

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I read that as “Obama’s a Marxist, Islamic Keynesian”

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I think there’s still room for 20 or 30 “too big to jail” Wall St. bankers in there, what do you think?

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