Discussion: Fiorina: 'The Fact Checkers Are Correct' About What I Said At The Debate (VIDEO)

Now you’re going to get them all riled up because you said “constitutionally”.

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And that lag is most likely explainable by the difference in the occupational distribution by gender. Not that the other side would care.

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Three and a half years plus six months is four years. Is she saying that Obama has been in office for four years?

I don’t understand her math. And is the “92%” number even correct for three and a half years?

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“Well, in this particular case the fact checkers are correct…” and in the next breath, “But this is what the liberal media always does, it attacks the messenger trying to avoid the message.”

Um.

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Carlyspeak translation : "It’s the media’s fault I misspoke, and when I get to be president, that shit is going to STOP! "

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It’s a symbiotic relationship, hugely profitable to both partys.

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There’s your problem. There is no math there.

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What you should know about the 92% woman job loss number. It’s even more wrong than Fiorina admits to.

  1. Male dominated industries like construction and manufacturing were the first hit by the Great Recession. Women held more jobs in education, health, and government that initially fared well but later lost jobs as governments laid off workers. The time period used for the 92% figure misses the massive male layoffs at the beginning of the recession. In short the 92% figure started counting after the men had already been laid off.

  2. Starting the time period at the first day Obama took office is disingenuous. At that time we were still living under Bush’s policies and budget, not Obama’s. It’s Obama’s policies that pulled us out of Bush’s tailspin economy.

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Exactly. It was a lag in recovered just like it was a lag in job losses when looked at with the gender filter of the data. And the “last six months” dismissal is simply lame. She is misleading and dismissive there as well. Using that same “lag” you could state it most of the job recovery under President Obama in his second term were women.

But you see, that doesn’t spin it and give the false impression that any recovery for women was just some sort of accident. Which is what this lame Sunday morning gab-fest lie/defense was going for.

Anything to do with trying to distract and diminish from the larger point. That being that the economy was decimated under Bush and deregulation. And tag the damage was deep but was repaired under President Obama, despite the GOPs disgusting and vile obstruction and bad faith.

Why anyone would want to triple-down on the same deregulatory types of policies that caused the disaster in the first place instead of going in the direction of policies that (even her spin admits) fixed it, is truly the question.

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I think her point is to make the claim so incoherent it is immune to further fact-checking.

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One more thing. The jobs lost by women were mostly due to a reduction in government spending. Didn’t Obama and the democrats want to give more money to the states so that they wouldn’t have to lay off people, but is was the republicans who objected and forced the democrats to compromise on that issue?

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Sheer shamelessness. So she lies, is called on it, finally admits she was wrong but claims that the press is somehow “blaming the messenger”? Besides the fact that this makes no sense, it shows a remarkable lack of character.

Aside from her statistics being wrong (and I’m still dubious about the 92% of the jobs lost were women part), her implication is that this loss of jobs is Obama’s fault, which is clearly preposterous; do I need to add that it is the result of a severe recession begun under the prior administration and having much to do with that administrations laxity about regulating our large financial institutions? Not to mention that, if you’re a deficit hawk (as Fiorina claims to be), the runup to the recession was characterized by a large tax cut, costly pair of wars and expensive drug benefit, all of which were unfunded leading to significantly higher deficits.

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Shorter Snarly Failorina: Well, that was true for a time point that I isolated in Pres. Obama’s presidency, but it is not “generally” true. The point still stands, however. You can isolate and select data to make it stand for anything that you want.

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Well stated. Thank you!

Well Carly Fiorina is never going to hold office of any kind at any level so what does it matter anyway how wrong or right she is.

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Was she really naturally born?

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…or they would have, had the Republicans in Congress permitted any of his legislation to pass. We’re still largely living under Bush’s policies. The few things that President Obama has managed to get through Congress were watered down to the point of being nearly useless.

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Most media is corporate owned, so it’s all a dance and game. In the end, the corporate owners will shill for whoever will lay off their taxes, damn the rest of the country, and we all know who that team is.

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Hmm, maybe “they” were right all along and Jeb! really is the smart one. Wow … not only a first class bitch, but one that isn’t even conversant with telling the truth.

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