Discussion: Federal Judge: Separated Families Must Be Reunited Within 30 days

[katwillow]

Terrorism, impure and simple.

[katwillow]

I don’t know, this was planned and has been in the works for some time. Probably by someone “smarter” than TRussia or Miller or any of those goons. I cannot believe TRussia or his lick-spittles can plan and carry out much of anything but a trip to McDonalds’. We know TRussia is under Putin’s thumb, and he’s probably groveling at the feet of a lot of US Billionaire Corporations.

They want Fascism. They almost achieved it in the 30’s, but Roosevelt stopped them. There is no Roosevelt today. Obama was a wet firecracker.

[the_loan_arranger]

Terrorizing these children and parents, and “making an example of them” to frighten would-be asylum-seekers and the immigrant community at large was the whole point of this horrific policy.

Personally, I think the whole point of implementing this policy was to force congressional Democrats to fund Trump’s border wall. When the Nazi-in-Chief said words to the effect that ‘this is all the Democrats fault; they could stop this by changing the law’ but steadfastly refuses to approve any changes to immigration law that don’t fully fund his border wall, he announced the real purpose of this policy. The pain and suffering caused is just icing on the cake for the most sadistic among his henchmen and supporters.

This was terrorism: The infliction of gratuitous pain and suffering in pursuit of political goals. The administration admitted as much when the policy was withdrawn, not because of the pain and suffering of those affected, but because of the ‘terrible optics’ for the administration.

[ottnott]

This is terrific news for the children and their families.

While I could see the rancid SCOTUS majority blocking this order on purely legal grounds, I think the judge’s emphasis on the administration’s failure to keep track of the children and failure to provide communication between the children and the parents will give them pause. There are very young children involved here, and the separation is extremely traumatic no matter what conditions they are currently held in.

Trump will see this as a reason to redefine or ignore due process and basically catapult immigrants back across the border, but that won’t be something all five of the conservative majority could allow on legal grounds (Alito and Thomas would be fine with it, and Gorsuch might determine it is okay, because several precedents were decided incorrectly by “lesser minds”).

[mattinpa]

So what happens on day 31? A sternly worded letter from the judge?

One of the salient characteristics of being a judge is that people have to do what you say or you can make worse things happen to them than sternly worded letters.

[austin_dave]

The rock should be small, tippy, and vulnerable to rising sea levels.

[lizzymom]

I’m sure we’ll get angry tweets from Trump in the morning how this GWB appointee is helping MS-13 terrorists to kill Americans, or whatever he spews brown and has a funny name and is probably not a real Murican anyway.

FIFY.

[fiftygigs]

…we’re on the side of police, and we’re on the side of the public safety of the American people…

God and your quaint Christian teachings can just go to hell. American government first.

[fiftygigs]

Oh, and those “unfunded mandates” Republican states-righters were so indignant about…?

[states] are being forced to shoulder increased child welfare, education and social services costs.

The Republican leadership is totally on board with them now. Pay up!

I got a buddy in real estate who can get you a good deal on a warehouse. You just need a little something to, you know, grease the wheels.

[atldrew]

Kelly was talking about the separations as a deterrent back in 2017. These are not spontaneous acts of hatred but well orchestrated demonstrations of terrorism, sans the planning to pull it back together after they blew it all up.

Half baked was full on good enough for these shit stains.

[invitedguest]

waiting to see scotus reverse this one…

[lowtechcyclist]

I heard about this decision on my morning commute when my local DJ, Rob Timm of WRNR, summarized it - and quoted that very passage, verbatim.

“People as things, that’s where it starts.” - Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum

[spacesaver]

Human rights violation whatever you call it. But of course we all know what Trump et al thinks of the UN. I’d like to see Haley sputter when charged with that. Can Mexico et al bring charges?

[jep07]

Avenatti’s idea, a single staging area for every separated family. may now be the best option for everyone… except for all the haters who love seeing children cry.

Trump’s lowest order of supporter showed their true colors on this issue.

So did his closest minions.

Anyone who thinks this won’t end up costing us all millions in lawsuits and lost respect as a world refuge for the lost and indigent isn’t paying attention. The anguish it has already spawned is palpable, for anyone with a conscience and a patriot’s heart.

Can Supreme Court justices be forced to resign?.

[lisaaug]

They will sleep fine in the assurance that judges have no divisions, and thus no authority over Dear Leaders minions.

[lisaaug]

I wouldn’t put it past them but for pity’s sake don’t give them ideas.

[spacesaver]

This is torture of a different order than GWB inflicted–worse because these children are, well, children. And as the judge says, in the Trump admin’s eyes they don’t even rise to the level of property. They are being kidnapped, to “send a message” or something to that effect. Ironic that GWB appointee makes the judgement here.

Now, how many will not be returned, I wonder, either through incompetence or indifference?

[jep07]

The SCOTUS majority does not stand for the Constitution. They stand for white nationalism.

Wish that fit on a bumpersticker… but otherwise, it is about as concise and unfortunately accurate as anything I’ve read about the issue, anywhere.

When the New Blue Wave (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez proved it isn’t just blue, it IS NEW!) is done steamrolling these recalcitrant R’s, we need to pressure the conservative Supreme Court judges to resign, Gorsuch in particular. He’s our first ever FAKE JUSTICE.

Once Trump’s true colors are fully exposed, Gorsuch can only save his dignity, what is left of it, by resigning. He may not be one himself, but he represents one of the biggest judicial disgraces in our nation’s history, maybe the worst… especially looking at the 5-4 decisions now coming from the court.

[jep07]

Not at all OT, I have to say, with real goosebumps, that Justice Sotomayor won my undying admiration and respect with her blistering dissent.

Rachel read most of it aloud (that was a treat, you could hear the truth and justice in her voice) and made me button-busting proud of our latino justice, and of Obama for choosing her in the first place.

She just joined my personal list of True American Heroes, she and Barbara Boxer both faced-off the old boys in historic fashion and we should never forget it.

She gives us hope, one of those holdovers from the Obama era that we all miss so badly. And there’s so little hope around these days.

That will change in November.

Big Time.

[lowtechcyclist]

I’m old enough to remember when the Republicans considered themselves the ‘pro-family’ party, rather than the ‘we’re OK with gratuitously ripping families apart’ party.

OK, that would mean I’m old enough to start elementary school. But you get the idea.