Well, considering that every example that they cited was basically a total failure, then yeah-they need to up their game and make changes.
Realizing that the vast majority are home grown, middle aged and white would be a big start.
Not backing a lunatic President would be a big help also too.
Ever think about ā following the ā gun hoards ā guys ? ? ā¦
Oooh right ā¦
wasted time seeing as most of those arenāt ā¦moooslems ā
Following the guns could lead back to me just as easily.
Never allowing the bad guys to have them in the first place was the right idea and we were maybe even leaning that way a bit pre-Dumbo.
We are most likely already at the point of no return. The weapons have become self aware-JK, but we are so flooded with guns as a nation and the gun lobby has such a grip on the issue, that even real smart intervention right now wouldnāt stop the massacres.
I say do what we are accused of anyway and start confiscating all known weapons and found weapons that are in the possession of criminals, potential terrorists, registered crazies etc.
At least everything that is for military purposes originally and can shoot more than 9 rounds without reloading.
I will amend ā¦
The review follows attacks by people who were once on the FBIās radar but ā¦ had been determined not to warrant continued law enforcement scrutiny months and sometimes years before the attacks.
ā¦while Comey was protecting the country from errant e-mailsā¦
I knew what you really meant but Iāve had a registered shotgun since '73 and have several hand me down pistols and rifles as does my older brother. My younger brother saw fit to give all his away but he never said where.
My last two or three GFs had arsenals basically that they had inherited from their families, especially the very last one but I never saw one of them fire a round.
OTOH, I know many new marijuana dealers here in Colorado that are skirting the laws to purchase guns and keep weapons that they already owned that werenāt legal in the first place and they hunt and shoot all the time.
No worriesā¦ I have some guns ā
My references were about the difference between ā reasonable ā ā¦and unreasonable ā¦
I hesitate to use those words hereā¦causeā¦you know ā
This is exactly the problem that real security people have been talking about for 15+ years: when you have a constant stream of ātipsā to investigate, it becomes more and more difficult to sort out the āpre-suspectsā who are important from the ones who arenāt. We have no idea from this, for example, how many people with closed files havenāt done squat, or even how many people with still-open files have suspiciously refrained from doing anything unlawful.
Another obvious question: under the current legal regime where guns and other weapons are readily available, what good would it have done to have maintained surveillance and investigation? Could any of these perpetrators have been lawfully stopped by the FBI? (And just while weāre on it, what role does knowing youāre an FBI target play in radicalizing people?)
Good references in deed when it comes to anything lethal.
We donāt even lock doors where I live and people leave their cars running in parking lots unlocked. I see no need to carry a gun nor do I want to contribute to the hysteria that doesnāt match the facts.
If I were ever burgled in the middle of the night, it would take me just a few moments to wake up #1, then to grab the pistol, find the ammo, load up and finally to make sure it wasnāt a family member or neighbor before I ever considered firing.
Iāve only ever owned guns for recreation and a little bird hunting 40 years ago or so.
Iāve been shot and have seen my own flesh ripped apart and almost never walked again.
Iād have to be 100% sure that shooting intentionally at someone was the last resort and then would likely be sickened by it.
Iāve had guns for most of my life ā¦
But I have NEVER hadā¦5 of thoseā¦8 of those ā¦ more more more bullets ā¦
Ohā¦and a couple of those ā¦and B*ll has one so I do too ā¦and a few of those ā¦
There are some legitimate reasons to have a firearm ā¦
But when a paranoia enters into the decision makingā¦I am TOTALLY against it ! ā
And donāt forget the fondlers.
There are those that just get off on having that steel killing thing and like to take it out and rub it and admire it and also show off in some odd form of bragging rights.
I was subjected to one of these fools about a year ago and couldnāt believe the exact stereotypical crap that the guy was, and heās a successful dude. He pulled out 2 big gun safes worth of guns and had Iād say roughly ten times the ammo he could ever need.
He wound up offending me and I turned and walked out. He tried to come by and pretend that he had just had a bad moment but I just donāt need anything to do with that and quietly let him go away.
You have gone pretty far from the substance of this report. We are talking about threats of terrorism, not security measures in defense of marijuana growers, legal or illegal.
They have not done their job effectively it is clear as day. Their standards are no good and need to be revisited, and I donāt believe there was any reason to suspect they were any good in the first place.
We just strayed during the course of the conversation which is the norm pretty much.
If you feel that you need to defend growers, you donāt. Its legal here and I work with them regularly but donāt partake.
There are only 14 responses and I was the first, so you could catch up quickly if you care to or not if you donāt.
Also, you said āweā but you werenāt in the conversation until just now. Did I do something wrong?
I donāt really understand and I have nothing against you, not remotely. I also donāt partake, donāt work with marijuana growers, but I have nothing against them, also not remotely. Sorry I irritated you and no you did nothing wrong. I am interested in the core topic and I do believe the FBI and law enforcement have done a bad job of protecting Americans from lunatics and ISIS sympathizers. Glad they are looking at it now, but it must begin with the assumption that their current approaches obviously get Americans killed, so they need to work differently.
SVR North American Division office in NY is doing anything now that theyāve delivered the election to Republican swill. Spread them to the 4 corners of the nation with 3x5 lead cards knocking on doors just like on Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. Will be the first real security work theyāve done in a while.
This, Iām not sure about. On its face, it does seem that way but then you realize just how many tips they receive and must follow up on and how hard it must be to determine which ones will actually do something combined with keeping personal rights in tact and not turning into a full blown police state.
This is an extremely tough juggle at best.
Considering the fact that almost 100% of the terrorist acts ae committed with guns, the obvious target should be to start there. It isnāt a separate issue, it is the issue.
Its like sugar and obesity, the one causes the other but the sugar industry has a literal death grip on us.
So too does the gun lobby.
Come to think of it, the fricking lobbyists are also a major part of the problems.
They represent the deniers and spinmeisters that shoot down the facts and research data.
The FBI has much room for improvement however and they have realized that and made moves in that direction on their own and no doubt because their failures are so public.
Conclusion;
Total house cleaning at the FBI including Comey IMO.
Get the military styled weapons and weapons beyond a 9 round capacity off of the streets and out of the wrong hands.