Discussion: Far Right Party In California Will List Trump As Its Nominee On The Ballot

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Putin: I support it.
ISIS: We do as well.
Palin: Sure, my husband joined Alaska Independent Party. This is even better. I Love Putin’s head now.

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Denny’s. Where their food was cooked by a hispanic, dishes washed by a hispanic, and food served by a working mother on Obamacare.

The AIP, lacking a little self awareness.

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This could make for an interesting law suit. While this is very, very unlikely, what if Trumps votes as Republican and Trump votes as Independent Party candidate when combined exceeded Hillary’s vote as the Democrat? Trump the Republican loses to Hillary and Trump Independent losses to Hillary, but combined, Trump got more votes.

Hillary would be awarded the electoral college votes and Trump would file suit. And if Hillary would lose to Trump but for those Cali electoral college votes, it could get really ugly.

Does anyone honestly believe if Gore became President the same way Bush did, it would have gone so well?

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Mark Seidenberg, Chairman, American Independent Party of California capturing the essence of the Trump demographic -

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Oh, no! California, the swing state, might tip red.

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Ah, this means Hillary’s Opponent’s total votes in California will go from 1,000…to 1,001

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… the first candidate in 80 years to be on the ballot for two parties …

TPM just left this little tidbit with no further explanation??? I looked up the 1936 election in Wikipedia and didn’t find anything. Does anybody know about this?

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So then this will be a bonafide, verifiable example of Trump actively, knowingly & willingly collaborating with American Independent Party -
you know … the ‘code’ words are pretty easy to understand …

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Can someone clarify – will Trump’s name appear on two different ballot lines, one as the nominee of the Republican Party and one as the nominee of the American Independent Party, or does he appear once, with the names of both parties listed on that line?

I’m pretty sure it’s the former, but not 100% sure.

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Let’s see - he is supported by this bunch of yahoos, along with David Duke and the rest of the KKK ilk, Putin, North Korea and is now in cahoots with Ailes? And the amazing thing is that Trump probably looks on all of those endorsements with pride and proof of his yuuuuuge popularity.

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I hope it’s twice, because his voters are dumb enough to actually vote twice (Pavlov’s dogs come to mind) and thereby negate their ballot.

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Would that actually negate their vote? Generally “overvotes” (voting for more than one candidate for the same office) are discarded, but what if both votes are for the same person but on different lines?

Having once (long ago) participated in a re-count, “voter intent” was considered extremely important. And the intent of someone voting for Trump on two lines would pretty clearly be to vote for Trump. On the other hand, there may be hard-and-fast rules about overvotes that may supercede voter intent, depending on how those rules are worded.

Any California legal eagles out there (or anyone else) who can answer this one definitively?

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That may confuse his voters - can I vote twice and double my impact.   lol
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No, he doesn’t get the combined vote total by being listed by two different parties. If anything, this hurts him more…even though nothing hurts him as much as being totally unacceptable to most California voters, I would say.

He either gets a percentage of the vote as a Republican or he gets an ever smaller percentage of the vote by this far-right Independent Party. That takes votes from one away from the other…and takes nothing away from the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. If a voter marks their ballot for both tRumps for President, the ballot will become invalid, in the same way if someone voted for both Clinton and Drumpf at the same time.

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Btw, there have been many instances when a two candidates have been on a ballot with the same name, indistinguishable from one another. Often times, shenanigans are at work when that happens in order to dilute the vote totals from one candidate to another, or as a way to confuse the electorate. Though you won’t get people who do this sort of thing admitting to it…its not unheard of. In this case, they’re using the same person to run in two different parties even though Drumpf never made himself a candidate for one of those parties…and they decided on their own he would best represent them. The result is the same as if two different people with the same name were running…confusion and shenanigans.

Here’s an example of two people in CA with the same name running on the ballot (but its not the first time this has happened):

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Fun fact: The American Independent Party is the party that some people in CA mistakenly registered with when they think they’re registering with no party at all.

It was a problem in the primary since it meant you couldn’t vote for President, but won’t matter in the general.

Info: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-american-independent-voters-registration-20160520-snap-story.html

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“the first candidate in 80 years to be on the ballot for two parties”

I’m pretty sure the Democratic party candidate for president was on multiple ballots–Dem and Liberal Party–in New York in the 1970s and 1980s. Or do you mean in California?

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If the Greens and Libertarians want to become players, fusion ballots is the game they need to play. I don’t know about fusion candidates in CA, but in NY more than one party can have the same candidate on the ballot.

If we had fusion ballots in every state then third parties could endorse the major party candidate, but people who sympathize can vote third party without tossing away their vote. So I could vote Green and Hillary Clinton, and give the Green party a larger % of the total vote.

If all the third parties got together to push for this and other voting changes in a few states, then move it to more, they might expand. But they’re not going to under the current system.

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Well I must say I think this is wonderful. Trump never realistically had any chance of winning California and all her electoral votes. Now the GOP will suffer the insult of even fewer votes going to their candidate, with the rest being picked up by Trump as the American Independent Party Candidate. The GOP is nigh on dead here in California, and the American Independent Party is not going to become a major player in this state. Pete Wilson and his xenophobia started the down hill roll and it would appear to be picking up speed. Maybe it will fall into the Pacific never to be seen again in California. A girl can dream.

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