Discussion: Ex-Staffer Left MSNBC After Accusing Chris Matthews Of Sexual Harassment

Really? Didn’t know that. So the staff’s not crazy about him either.

I love all of Jim’s films but Ghost Dog and the soundtrack by the RZA is one of his tightest and best movies. The soundtrack is too wonderful.

But yeah Jarmusch makes such interesting and good movies and Forrest may have turned in my favorite performance in that role - just the way he walks as Ghost Dog kills me. I love him too.

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Are you trying to arouse me? :wink:

Count me in on the heads up for anything you do, Plucky.

I think your approach might be the key to maintaining sanity during the Trump era - Matthews talks over people too much and I prefer the analysis from people younger than me these days (Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Chris Hayes) - I do look forward to reading the book about Bobby Kennedy (when my wife finishes it).

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Nothing would please me more than to see this sputtering gas bag get shown the door.

He’s not exactly in the younger cohort but Lawrence O’Donnell explains it all to my satisfaction. He spent years in the senate working for late Senator Moynihan D-NY. He was also writer and producer of the one political show everyone needs to watch The West Wing to see how it looks backstage at the WH. This prez would never watch it, takes to much for someone who’s impatient. I started the Bobby Kennedy book by Matthews, and I’d recommend it.

Here’s a mental exercise for all the guys here. When you want to insult some (deserving) person, can you do it without a metaphor of receiving sex*? Why do you have an attitude that folks who “receive” sex are degraded?

These statements help create an environment that is hostile to women, and gay men, too.

i.e. “bend over and take it” “he is Putin’s *holster”, “… in mouth…”

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Not sure i follow. I think it would be the opposite, actually. That might be just me, though. Being a man might affect my perspective on that.

On second thought, while i’m sure this is a good and necessary conversation to have for a wide number of reasons, i’m quite sure i don’t have any resolute answers to offer on this topic. For a whole lotta people, this entire subject is TMI. Vulnerabilities abound.

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One aspect of the huge catchall called sexual harassment is making the most sensitive person in the workplace the threshold for all banter and behavior. Anything that could conceivably offend someone must be expunged and punished. I’ve had women say things to me that would get a man instantly fired. Today we’re looking at sexual assault and some pressures to provide sex getting conflated with office banter and otherwise harmless chit chat.

Lehrer: One funny ass guy. I’m going to look for a CD or you tube.

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I don’t know Plucky. I have my own sordid past too :slight_smile: But seems to me that we need to take our slice of the redemption pie the wingers seems to own so well… As one term Georgia congressman Ben Jones (Cooter from Dukes of Hazard, brutally redistricted out of office) said during his term “There was a time when I spent 90% of my money on booze and women. The rest I just wasted!” In today’s environment things that might have been a scandal in the past? Not so much…

At last! There’s another woman join in in saying sexually explicit comments have no place here because they do in fact amount to sexual harassment, and I personally am not going to stop responding to it. I’ll wait for “thread nanny” to be hung on me before too long. Moderators don’t seem to care, but there’s some growing resistance to it among some people. But you should know that @tsp based on my conversations with him is maybe the only man here who understands what it is we object to and tries to avoid crawling into the muck.

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Probably this wasn’t the right thread (or too late in the thread) to bring it up. But again the guys keep thinking that hostile environment is just direct propositions or assaults. Hateful attitudes also make the environment unfriendly.

“Believe women” never meant to put critical thinking aside. It does mean, for example, not believing crap like “most rape allegations are just women who regret afterwards.” First off, guys, do you typically ‘regret’ sex afterwards? So why would you possibly imagine women would? Only if you think a woman’s role in sex is inherently degrading. That is reflected in the constant stream of using (penetration) sex metaphors as a way to insult other men.

p.s. @littlegirlblue love ya’, girlfriend!

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Check your private messages. Going to respond there.

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“Avoid sexually charged talk and banter” is usually one word of advice in harassment training seminars.
Polite men and women have always done that. It’s just good manners. Nobody has to tell them.

I could not agree more.

Repulsive language is repulsive.

To be graphic about it: when sandi says “folks who ‘receive’ sex,” she is referring to the partner that provides the orifice. And she’s right that much of American insult-language degrades that partner, who is usually a woman.

Does that help you follow her meaning?

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“Avoid sexually charged talk and banter” is usually one word of advice in harassment training seminars.Polite men and women have always done that. It’s just good manners. Nobody has to tell them.[/quote]

I agree.

Unfortunately, yes.

Oddly enough, that’s not how i look at the deed.

For what it’s worth, I think that’s a legitimate point of view. I think the problem comes with using the language to degrade.

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