I hope you realize she’s still going to win the nomination (and, likely, the WH), no matter how hard you try to convince liberals not to like her by regurgitating talking points that the GOP/Teatrolls will be adopting.
They’ll say it, don’t doubt it. They’ll have astroturfers concern-trolling sites just like this one to spew that kind of crap…just like they had “PUMA” when Obama “stole the nomination” from her and Rush Limbaugh advising the GOP to try to encourage and heighten that kind of resentment.
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I am not worried about Hillary’s professional experience. She understands the levers of government.I am worried about her understanding of the problems people face day to day. That is where she has to sell me.
If you have read this site at all you know I am not a concern troll. Now is the time for Hillary to address her obvious weaknesses.
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Yes, because Noam Scheiber is a “GOP/Teatroll”…?
How naive can you get? Have you seen the list of Hillary Clinton’s campaign contributors? It’s a Wall Street Who’s Who. Clinton is their chosen candidate. No one in their right mind believes Hillary will take on Citigroup the way Warren has. Citigroup is Hillary’s #1 supporter! https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019
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We heard the same thing in 2008 with Obama and the employees on Wall Street who gave to them.
Do you think they want Rand Paul or Ted Cruz elected? That would be a disaster for them, too.
With Hillary, they might not get their tax cut, and might face another round of regulations if she gets a Democratic Congress, but at least they won’t be dealing with an ideologue who questions the need for a Federal Reserve, or is philosophically opposed to raising the debt ceiling, or, in the case of Cruz, who feels we need to take another swipe at theMoslem infidels of the Middle East.
Admit it, Democrats are good for business. It doesn’t necessarily make them cronies or sellouts.
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I agree completely. Its one thing to not go after Republicans for their obstructionism and phony scandals but its shame to run from your own successes.
I do think that part of the problem is that Obama has not appeared to be out front supporting his own programs.
That’s been Warren’s message. It would be a good one for all Democrats to call their own:
"I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.’ No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."
Here’s something from ten years ago along the lines of your post:
“I gotta tell you, I never had a smarter student,” Warren told Moyers, saying Clinton understood the principles of bankruptcy “quick right to the heart of it.”
After their conversation, Clinton got up and said, “Professor Warren, we’ve got to stop that awful bill.” And stop the bill they did. The bankruptcy bill was the last one to cross President Bill Clinton’s desk, and he vetoed it. On the campaign trail in 2007, Hillary Clinton used the bill as evidence that she “fought the banks.”
But when Clinton joined the Senate in 2001 and the bankruptcy bill came up again, Clinton the senator did what Clinton the first lady opposed—she voted for it.
“As Senator Clinton, the pressures are very different,” Warren told Moyers. “She has taken money from the groups, and more to the point, she worries about them as a constituency.”
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Until the last two weeks I would have said that Hillary would distance herself from BO and EW. But Hillary may have actually learned something from working closely with Obama as his SOS. She has a new aura of confidence in him and his actions. Let’s hope for the best!
I’ve got news for you, liberals have already figured out the HRC is a Corporate Democrat.
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I really don’t think there’s going to be any daylight between Hillary and Warren or Obama.
Of course, if Hillary decides to run, she will try to explain what sets her apart, but she’s too smart to realize where Democratic sentiments lie – and they aren’t with Wall Street.
Sure, the media made much of her comment on Obama’s “don’t do stupid stuff” statement, but in reading her entire interview it was positive.
Same with Warren’s much ballyhooed criticism of the Obama’s administration’s treatment of banks – pretty positive, with some even-handed criticism of Washington’s general deference to Wall Street.
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Who was that?
Excellent post, thanks for that Moyers video. Pretty clear cut message from Elizabeth Warren in that interview. Money in politics and specifically finance industry’s money in politics is so corrosive, even Warren’s star pupil HRC gets captured by the industry. Warren has got such great communication, debate, and media/press skills. And now I have heartburn remembering how ugly the bankruptcy law is. Warren has been on this since 1979 and we need her expertise.
If you have time I’d suggest taking your post here and adding it to one of the appropriate threads in the Hive so it can live a longer life and hopefully spark some discussion.
Been searching but unable to find a clip I wanted to add to this: basically the companion piece to this story from Warren about Hillary Clinton’s transformation from fighting for familys First Lady to industry-captured Senator. on the 2008 campaign, I think it was a talk or a panel, not a debate, where she said in effect her own version of “corporations are people too my friend”. Something about finance industry being constituents that deserve some privilege or something… it was one of the top examples showing contrast with then-Senator Barack Obama. Wish I could find it.
Edit, ok found it: http://youtu.be/1LY0AqYXZC4?t=2m8s
HRC doesn’t talk about finance specifically but her comment is about lobbyists. Starting at 2:08 in the video, the key part if shown as a companion piece with Bill Moyers’s Elizabeth Warren 2004 interview is pretty damning.
Senator Hillary Clinton says in 2007: “A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not represent real Americans. They actually do. They represent nurses, they represent - you know - social works. They represent - yes - they represent corporations that employ a lot of people. So you know, the idea that somehow a contribution is going to influence you… I just ask you to look at my record: I’ve been fighting for the same things - like - my core principles have not changed. But I do want to be the president for everybody. I want to represent the entire country, and that is what I’m aiming to do in my campaign.”
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While I’m pleased to see that UFG has been punished for his disruptive behaviors I’ve come to the conclusion that I cannot gloat about it.
I’ll keep my eyes open for that.
I do have something recent that shows just how difficult - and apparently phony - it would be for Hillary to suddenly try to claim she’s a populist: she doesn’t speak the lingo or understand the motives.
In this short clip Hillary starts off on solid footing and then just disintegrates with her “don’t let anyone tell you that corporations and businesses create jobs.”
That is not a populist message. It’s not a message Hillary would have made had she understood what populists fight for. Its certainly a message that Warren would not make because she understands that businesses and corporations do create jobs. A populist wants that business not to have unfair advantages over people.
Three or four days later Hillary tried to rectify but her explanation greatly stretched what had transpired.
If you have time I’d suggest taking your post here and adding it to one of the appropriate threads in the Hive so it can live a longer life and hopefully spark some discussion.
Thanks. I’m betting that there will be some good threads on Elizabeth -and maybe other populists like Sherrod Brown- in the coming months.
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You’re saying that being elected the first female POTUS isn’t reason enough to vote for her?
Say it ain’t so!
Yes it’s so. I didn’t vote for Obama because he was going to be the first black President. I voted for him because he was the best candidate. I won’t vote for Hillary because she would be the first woman President. She has to prove to me that she is the best candidate. Running on the “its our turn” platform doesn’t get it done, at least not with me.
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Warren’s candidacy would place her in the role of a Revolutionary in American politics. That would be a very good thing!
How so?
Taking on the banks is old news. FDR took them on hard in the 30’s and we’ve seen many attempts to regulate since.
It looks to me that Warren is a leader, not a revolutionary. We’ve already seen other politicians smelling victory in Warren’s approach. Its why we are seeing so very many pieces like this one suggesting that Hillary will need to take up a more populist tack in her otherwise status-quo campaign. We can see it in Hillary’s recent attempt fail at a populist message in my clip in post 41