Discussion: DOJ: Hillary Clinton Had Authority To Delete Personal Emails

Not the public, per se. Trey and the Republicans want her personal emails so they can dredge up something, anything that might be used to embarrass her. They’ve clearly exhausted all allegations of illegal activity, so now their desperation is even more transparent.

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I get it but why is she under any obligation to turn them over. If I were her I would just say personal means personal. For christ’s sake, Romney wouldn’t turn over his income taxes which is required. Did Jeb Bush ever turn over his personal emails when he was governor. Did Colin Powell turn over his personal emails. What is the tricking precedent for this?

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It seems to me the Republicans and their hysterical thrashing about this non-issue are trying to replicate the Whitewater/Ken Starr investigations that they still crow about to this day.

Although that didn’t end too well for them, did it? After Starr’s inquisition, Bill Clinton’s approval ratings soared to record levels in his term, and most Americans were disgusted with the tactics and waste of taxpayer money.

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I think that’s pretty clear in the fact that this is the 8th Congressional committee set up to investigate Benghazi, despite the previous 7, all headed by partisan republicans, coming to same conclusion, that there was no illegal activity on the part of anyone in our government.

Sadly, however, Gowdy will be making many more unsubstantiated leaks in the coming weeks, leading up to Hillary’s appearance before the committee next month. He is not the least interested in finding anything about Benghazi, he merely wants to extend his fishing trip for another year so he can maximize the damage to Hillary’s campaign through whispers, leaks and innuendo.

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A spokesperson for the firm that managed Clinton’s private email server, Platte River Networks, said this weekend that the company had no knowledge that the server had been “wiped,” indicating that those deleted emails could still be recovered. The FBI is currently investigating the security of Clinton’s so-called “homebrew” server.

So a professional company managed her email server with the oversight of State Department IT personnel. This is not fucking “homebrew” anything. If I, as a non-IT professional, set up and managed it, then yes it’s homebrew. Otherwise this sounds as good as it gets outside of a monolithic bureaucratic IT organization that still couldn’t secure their own shit, which helped lead her decision to operate outside the network.

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Or to the shitbag, GOP-sucking Liberal Media™

Because she used her personal email for work and some have suggested she did it to avoid FOIA. Allowing herself to be trapped in that pickle seems like strong evidence that she’s not as calculating as people make out.

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She isn’t under any obligation to turn over personal emails. Further, the DoJ report makes it quite clear that is entirely up to her to determine what is personal and what isn’t.

JEB was required by state law to turn over all his emails as governor. He simply refused to do so for 8 years, and when he finally did (Coincidentally just days before the first Hillary email story popped up in the NYT), it wasn’t even complete regarding his official emails…entire weeks/months of them being carefully culled out. (Not a single email during the entire Teri Schiavo case).

So clearly there is a double standard trying to be put in play here. Democratic candidate who the DoJ says did absolutely nothing wrong…VILIFY HER! GOP candidate that just as clearly broke the law…ignore or discuss how forth coming he is now.

NOTE: Romney was under no legal obligation to reveal his income taxes. Its a tradition that was started by his father, which Romney was the first to break.

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The filing was entered Wednesday in a public records lawsuit brought by the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch,

This has been news for over five days and TPM is just getting it out to its readers? Wow

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Yeah. I used to think it was some kind of conspiracy among the media folk, but I don’t think so anymore. I think it’s more like never make the mistake of confusing a conspiracy with “group think”.

Certainly there’s a gamut of opinions from Bill Kristol to Rachel Maddow, but they are all working in the same corporate-controlled industry and form a kind of club that has it’s own peculiar rules and “secret handshakes”. And they protect themselves against outsiders, such that a rebuke, even if it is well-earned, by Hillary against Ed Henry, odious as he is, and Fox News, mendacious as it is, is an “attack” against all and must be avenged. And many members of the media are just plain lazy; they plagiarize press releases and each other; and they regurgitate talking points because it’s easier than honest research.

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Right! A new WaPo/ABC news poll shows 51% think “she broke the rules” and the press, which manufactured this pseudo controversy, are crowing that they have “made their own reality” just as Bush did…

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds 55% of Americans say they disapprove of the way Hillary Clinton has handled questions about her use of a private e-mail account while serving as secretary of state. An almost identical percentage — 54% — say that she has tried to cover up facts.

Asked whether Clinton stayed within government guidelines or broke the rules by using a private server, 51% say she broke the rules, while 32% say she did not, with the remainder offering no opinion.

Except there is the Donald Trump example. He quite literally launches into verbal attacks on reporters repeatedly…including throwing out probably the most respected member of the Hispanic media, and accusing the leading female Fox anchor of being tough on him because she is on the rag. (Those just being the two most glaring). But there has been no circling of the wagons are moves to avenge these attacks; quite the opposite. They were both pretty much tossed under the bus in pursuit of more Trump coverage.

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I was specifically referencing Hillary; absolutely, Trump is an aberration. But I was remembering this:

http://www.salon.com/2009/10/29/fox_versus_obama_2/

So on the face of it, there wasn’t much to argue with when White House aides started saying most of the Fox News crew wasn’t giving them a fair shot. Still, listening to some Beltway pundits react to the administration’s decision, you might think the White House had ordered Fox boss Roger Ailes to be shipped off to Guantánamo. Fox News isn’t exactly universally admired by other political reporters — after all, the network’s “Fair and Balanced” slogan is pretty obviously meant to be a shot at the rest of the press corps, and its cable news competitors get almost as many barbs from Fox as the administration does. But some talking heads from other news organizations started scolding the White House as soon as the battle was joined.

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And I still strongly favor the explanation that he didn’t release them, because he stiffed the Mormon Church on the tithing. He was willing to take the political hit for it, and seemed to be ducking the issue rather than putting up some brick wall of principle to stand behind.

Possibly. My guess is there were a slew of things in there, that why probably legal, were going to be disastrous to defend politically.

The really stupid move was, he personally wouldn’t leave it alone. He went out of his way for literally weeks to continue to comment on it and stir the media a bit more. Not just answering questions (which he never did), but making unprompted remarks about it.

I can’t believe there is any political consultant on either side of the aisle that would recommend such a tact. The old adage rules…if you don’t like what is being said, change the conversation. Romney did the exact opposite…he didn’t like what was being said, so he talked more about it, guaranteeing more things he didn’t like were said.

Not to mention that Starr himself ultimately confirmed there was nothing to Whitewater – in the doldrums of August, once he’d bagged the blow job. Thus it has ever been for the Clintons.

In a way, it would have been better if the MSM was a kind of conspiracy. Then there would be person X, person Y, person Z, etc.

Alas, it is a systemic structure, as controlled as the Fossil Fuel Industry which interlaces with it.

Todd, if gone, would be replaced by an equivalent

There would never have been these numbers if people has not been led (by the MSM for many years) to look at Hillary as “untrustworthy” to begin with.

This is why people whom the MSM never linked to untrustworthiness (like Cosby, Paterno) always had defenders, even in the face of mounting evidence.

In a sense, the MSM has already won. The email issue takes too much time to explain for the types of people who don’t like her anyway, No matter what she does. She had better get a David Plouffe-level person to solve this…AND FOLLOW HIS/HER INSTRUCTIONS.

And therein lies the problem.