Discussion: Dems: 'We Are All Pulling Our Hair Out' Over Tuesday's California Primaries

Ok…time for a reality check on the jungle primary. CA is not an exclusive vote by mail state. About 50%-60% is VBM; the remaining 40%-50% is in-person voting. The in-person vote will be much more Democratic because many more minorities and younger voters participate in e-day voting than EV.

The independent site that everyone is using to check the returned/mailed ballots hasn’t updated in 2 days. So whatever data you see on that site is substantially off from the actual total. Those totals have Dems racking up a 250k margin statewide over GOP even in demographics that are unfriendly to Dems through 6/1. On e-day that margin is going to expand significantly. Dems might end up with a 50% vote share of the electorate when all is said and done (currently at 45%). That’s why I’m still giving Antonio Villaraigosa a shot at finishing #2 in the Governor’s race despite some not so great polling.

As for the districts, in CA-49, the Dem turnout through Friday was very strong. Dems are turning out at a 2% higher clip than the GOP with Indies in the district leaning Dem. The last few polls show that only 1 GOPer is truly competitive (Diane Harkey) with 3 competitive Dems in the top 4. The chances of Dems getting locked out there have dropped. The chances that the Dems actually lock out the GOP are growing (not 50% mind you, but it’s a non-trivial possibility).

It looks as though Mike Levin (my preferred candidate) is making a breakthrough over the last 4 days. Sara Jacobs and Doug Applegate have run strong races. Paul Kerr, the billionaire saboteur, is in mid-single digits and I expect him to drop below 5%. I think the Dems are safe there. It’s definitely possible (maybe 15% chance?) that Levin/Applegate, Levin/Jacobs, or Applegate/Jacobs could make it through to the general election.

In CA 48, the last poll there over the weekend (from Harley Rouda’s campaign) showed Rohrabacher at 30%, Rouda at 25%, Keirstad at 20% and Scott Baugh at 15%. I’ve heard no other campaign disputing those results or the pecking order. If that’s true then Nancy Pelosi’s decision to beat the crap out of Scott Baugh is working. In CA-48, we have an outside chance that the GOP gets locked out as I could see a scenario where Rohrabacher drops to 22%, Baugh gets to 20%, Rouda gets to 28% and Keirstad ends up at 23%. Mind you that’s an odd and unlikely scenario but it’s as plausible (and I’d say slightly more so) than the GOP locking us out.

In CA-39, people are fretting that our turnout hasn’t been great thus far. While that’s true, that’s only 4000 votes, and not counting the Indies (which have been leaning Dem across the country throughout the election cycle). That gap can be closed on Election Day. In addition, the GOP isn’t driving enough numbers to knock out the Dems. The last poll we know about (a few weeks ago) had Gil Cisneros as the #1. Now, Sam Jammal and the other candidates have trashed Cisneros over several weeks and it has been maddening to see. Nonetheless, my sense is that Cisneros’ message has been geared to driving up base Dem and latino turnout and his ads, the support from prominent Dems outside the district and his activity level suggest that he has convinced the base that he is the best choice for Team Blue.

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I see that these jungle primaries are being fought out between masculine primates with huge egos, tiny brains. No wonder it’s a mess.

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I’m trying to recall if I voted for this. I’m sick.

Thanks for this. Maybe Josh should hire you.

What’s the name of this independent site? Share it with the troops.

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I voted against the jungle primary because it seemed like the scenario we now have would be the result. I see a lot of ads from Jacob and Kerr, who have negative ads against Dems, and are both self-funding, and both jumped in long after Applegate and Levin had been working for the seat. I’m hoping the Dems prevail. My district is Duncan Hunter’s and we have a really good candidate who is working hard and is also facing a negative campaign from another Democrat while leaving Hunter unscathed. Jungle primary indeed.

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Exactly. The “jungle primary” is so appealing to the younger “Why do we need parties?” voters of the Berner variety, but here you see the result of that sort of idea.

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Jon Bauman, an actor and longtime Democratic activist best known as Bowzer from Sha Na Na

At this point, I’ve seen him introduced this way in so many stories where he’s simply doing political activism that it’s probably time to just start calling him “Jon Bauman, Democratic activist.”

Free Bowser!

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Really, thanks! This was fantastically informative, I see a lot of shallow “analysis” of these races and the jungle primary “problem” in general, with little real data or consideration of the actual effects (short and long term) of the top-two system. In my view as a Californian, this is a positive step in the direction of more accountable democracy. It might cost Democrats now and again, but on the whole it is just as likely to help them. And in any case, its partisan effects are less important than its effectiveness in translating the public will to the government.

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I really wish our Media Overlords would make up their minds about the California primary. One week it’s the greatest and fairest thing since the constitution was signed. The next day it’s a hot mess that’s going to destroy all Democrats inside AND outside the state.

Jebus!

There are two problems here, California’s jungle primary, and i REALLY hope that someone is trying to get a referendum reverse this on the ballot, and self dealing by DNC/DCCC tied consultants.

Honestly, a lot of the folks are running because they have been aggressively recruiter/supported by political consultants because they are rich, naive, and not too bright, which is a great way to rack up big consulting fees, because these folks spend big on media, which is where the consultants get their vigorish.

So long as we have a national party apparatus where the professional staff is working primarily for the benefit of consultants, this sh%$ will happen over, and over, and over, and over again.

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We were for it until we were against it. When it favors us, it is awesome. When it doesn’t, it’s the devil’s own.

Notice that once again, the future of the Nation (apparently) rests with California. If we don’t take back the House in November, it will be the fault of California’s primary. If we do take back the House, it will be because of some brave person in Iowa or Wyoming or Georgia.

Today coverage makes California out to be the Goat. Wednesday, it could be the Hero. Stay tuned.

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I already sent in an absentee ballot, and I’ll vote for Rouda a couple more times tomorrow. I don’t know what else I can do. So upsetting!

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I voted for him 6 times already, and I’m in New York! Why are you dragging your feet?

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I was actually thinking the same.
@khyber900

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Thanks.

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California’s jungle primary, brought to you by the insane initiative system in my state.
Just as Kansas has been destroyed by extreme right-wingers, California is at risk of imploding because of too many “progressive” “reformers” anxious to blow up whatever system has worked well in the past.
Between this system and ranked choice voting, the result has increasingly been numerous cases where people with the actual majority of the vote don’t get elected.

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All I can say is go Gil!!

Dear Democratic Voters,

Remember how, when you bitched about the quality of the candidates we presented to you, we said, “Hey, if you don’t like our candidates, than get off of your lazy, complaining asses and run for office yourself!” You weren’t supposed to actually call our bluff. Now get back in line!

Love,

The Democratic Party.

(I will note that this is also the case in states that don’t suffer from the absolute stupidity of the jungle primary system.)

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Jungle primary seems like a too-clever-by-half idea. This could be a massive own goal for Cali Democrats.

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