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Michigan is not the Super Bowl, guys.
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Did they ask Bernie what went catastrophically wrong in Mississippi? I thought not.
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Exactly. Living in Michigan, Sanders was never out of this. Lots of job loss and animosity towards the ruling class. That was a dumb question.
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First, the race outcome has been severely colored by the massive, major polling fails. What happened was not some seismic upheaval, but rather more or less what should have been expected (and what the Clinton campaign internals were showing for some time). If the race had been publicized as “very close” for a week or so before, the Sanders squeak-out would scarcely have made much news.
Second, the large number of non-Democrats allowed to vote in this “Democratic” primary affected the outcome in a big way: among actual Democrats voting, Clinton won by 16 points.
Third, when Clinton won Iowa by a couple of points, the Sanders campaign repeatedly called it effectively a tie. Now a couple of points is a smashing victory?
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Did they ask Bernie why Hillary won Flint, and 65% of the African American vote in Michigan?
G*dDamn!
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Definitely an odd question.
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I don’t like this debate.
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Fucking ridiculous.
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And note that Bernie has never been asked what went wrong in any of the states he lost.
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Hands down the worst Dem debate in this cycle. The moderators are all full of shit with some obvious agendas. And what’s the fuck with that speech question and HIS RESPONSE? He effectively called her a liar without using the L word by that insinuation. I wouldn’t mind a heated debate with occasional shouting, but as a Democrat that willful attempt to damage the opponent standing a better chance for the nomination is unacceptable.
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It’s probably time for both parties to rethink how these debates are conducted and by whom in POTUS nominating contests going forward.
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Apologies to voters in Mississippi, particularly African Americans. Once again you are ignored and treated like you don’t exist. You had a voice on Tuesday too, but evidently how white people vote in Michigan is just more important.
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Speaking as a Bernie supporter, that question was really obnoxious. Not sure what the moderator was trying to accomplish there.
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How many times has Bernie had a tremendous lead that he ended up blowing in an upset that surprised virtually everyone? Besides, Hillary is and has been the clear front-runner, so naturally she’s going to be held to a different set of expectations. You don’t get to talk about her inevitability for months on end then act like it’s no big deal when she blows a seemingly insurmountable 20 point lead.
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No! No tough questions for Bernie EVER! It would cause there to be less time for him to whine about the media ignoring him! The questioner asks as if there was some blowout instead of a 50-49 result! Preposterous!
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The ONLY people talking about "Hillary’s inevitability, and “Hillary’s coronation” have been those sneering at her, so I wouldn’t go by those expectations really. For one thing they are disengaged from the facts.
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I, for one, am fine they didn’t ask him the question. However, I am totally NOT fine they asked her, and ONLY her. What went wrong? Go ask the pollsters that screwed it up. That’s not a question to ask ANY candidates in debates, period. And yet they chose to ask it and ask her only. That’s ridiculous.
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Bernie is supposed to be strong enough to win one every so often isn’t he? So he did, barely, and he also lost one which makes things even accept Hillary got more votes and more delegates, so not so even after all.
This does prove a few things outright though. The coronation horseshit was all media inflamed and it just isn’t. The Dems/us wanted a real primary with our agenda discussed thoroughly and with the lean being pushed back to the left and this is that.
The polls are absolutely useless quite often and if a poll on polls was done, they’d lose in a landslide to an octopus or spotted frog just doing random shit as a predictor.
The best thing to do is to listen to the smartest people, Nate Silver, Krugman etc., then see how their track record turns out. Too many polls are the equivalent of a coin toss and many more are just plain intentionally misleading/biased.
This Michigan result and the resulting loaded questions are the proof in the pudding. Bad poll(s) lead to unrealistic expectations that cause the hyper media to react as if the poll was dead on and all results that aren’t per that poll should be answered for.
That’s bass ackwards, the poll is the problem and the pollees have some splaining to do.
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Well because she was expected to dominate in Mississippi and met expectations.
She was also expected to dominate Michigan and Sanders outperformed by 23 points. So it’s a legit question. Though more appropriately directed towards the pollsters than her.
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