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Why attack Mona when she has seen the light? Just like those who attack Joe S. Folks who used to be against you who are now on your side, is a good thing.
[/quote]I can’t speak for anyone else, but in my case I have no faith in their ability to logically and fairly and honestly judge the implications of their positions. When their so-called principles were used previously to promote the opposite side of the debate, who can believe that their principles won’t veer wildly back again in the next instance?
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Oh they’re speaking up, just not in CPAC/White Supremacist/Pro-Trump circle jerks Mona. That’s why the numbers of those reporting GOP/Republican affiliation are dropping like a rock. It’s why your retrograde “movement” will be voted out of power, hopefully permanently, or at the very least until you return to some sort of non-extremist, anti-American policy basis.
See you and your ilk in November.
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This has been going on in the GOP forever, Moaner. But it’s nice to know you pulled your Teabagger head out of your own ass for 5 fucking seconds to notice a little of it.
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Another clownish thing:Mona Charen in a group with ethics in its name. She is the person who swore Cory Gardner had no interest in voting to reduce women’s Constitutional rights. Swore it.
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They built this. From tearing down Obama to promoting the “liberals are commies” rhetoric to fillibustering in the Senate, especially with respect to the Garland SCOTUS nominiation. They wanna atone for those sins with some real action–supporting sane Rs in primaries, calling out Trump and his Congressional enablers continually, and raising money to take the party back from the crazies, great. But my forgiveness for what they and their “movement” has wrought on America will not be dispensed easily.
Too bad, so sad, R’s bought this President and they better start taking real responsibility for it.
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“There’s a tone of sort of sophomoric clownishness that’s creeped into conservatism now”
Now? NOW?!?!?!
Hey Mona, “A Fish rots from the head down”. That is where your “sophomoric clownishness” comes from (although you can go all the way back to Newt Gingrich to find where it really became “mainstream” in the Republican Party.)
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Well thank you, I will add that to the lexicon. In looking at the definition, that is perfect.
Why do we attack her and others like her, such as Navarro, Frum, Wallace, Schmidt, Kristol, and the like? Because as soon as there is a Dem president and Dems running Congress, and the Dem majorities propose legislation concerning sexual harassment, DACA, and all the other issues these so-called new found friends are oh-so-suddenly concerned about, they will be screaming about how the Dems have no right to change this country because “REAL AMERICA!” doesn’t want them to. They do it Every. Fucking. Time.
We call them out because they don’t give two shits about the country - all they care about is the fucking Republican Party. I have said it before: if Donald Trump had approval ratings over 55%, they would all be sucking his dick on “America’s Got Talent”.
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“…they just need a little encouragement, I think.” Really?! They need a public shaming and a kick in the ass. Who needs to be reminded to be a decent human being with a sense of, for lack of a better meter since this crowd is full of puffed up Christans, the most common of Christian values?
Disgusting people, the world and America would be better off without them.
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Unfortunately, you are likely correct. If they were serious people in the long term, a lot of the crap that has preceded would not exist. I will simply point to the incredible push back they gave to the birthers and Pizzagate?
Don’t remember that, me neither.
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Ass is good. Balls be better!
Just think for a minute what a Dwight D. Eisenhower speech would get as a reception at CPAC?
How would they react to this?
Eisenhower “Chance for Peace” April 16, 1953:
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”
Or to this? Eisenhower 1957;
"The very basis of our individual rights and freedoms rests upon the certainty that the President and the Executive Branch of Government will support and insure the carrying out of the decisions of the Federal Courts, even, when necessary with all the means at the President’s command.
Unless the President did so, anarchy would result.
There would be no security for any except that which each one of us could provide for himself.
The interest of the nation in the proper fulfillment of the law’s requirements cannot yield to opposition and demonstrations by some few persons.
Mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of our courts."
Yeah, those would go over just PEACHY with the Fascists that now dominate the CPAC and the “mainstream Republican Party” and the spineless sycophants in the Republican Congress.
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That was the quote that struck me, too. Did she not notice the faux grassroots bullies who were shipped down from Washington during the Florida recount – yelling “Sore/Loserman” and cowing the ballot counters? Or Saxby Chambliss’ ad questioning the patriotism of Max Cleland, a man who lost both his legs in Vietnam while Chambliss stayed at home with “bad knees”?
What about all the excuses made for the Confederate flag? Or opposition to the ACA (a conservative idea that was only opposed because it was good for Obama)? Or climate change denial? What about Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, Tom DeLay, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Roger Ailes – all of whom have been at the core of the Republican Party for many years?
Glad she’s noticed this now. But principled conservatives need to come to terms with the intellectual dishonesty that long ago swept away their movement. They need to reconcile their own policy beliefs and the politics that they themselves have practiced for many years with approaches that actually work to strengthen rather than weaken an open society.
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I agree with you.
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“What was the point of inviting her? It was again to create a response, to jab a needle in the eye of liberals. They think it’s a game; it’s not. It’s not a game,”
No, they don’t think it’s a game. This is who they are. This is what the Republican party is now. Jean-Marie Le Pen was invited, not as a jab in the eye to liberals, but because the Republican party is now an honest to god right wing fascist political movement. It’s no longer hyperbole.
What I hope everyone realizes is how dangerous this is. Sure, Trump’s tweets are amusing. The incompetence of his administration is amusing. We’re all cheering and making snarky comments every time Mueller announces a new indictment or a Democrat wins another special election victory in a district won by Trump, but we better hope and pray that Mueller actually does bring down the Trump administration and that the Democrats actually do manage to win back control of Congress. Because if they don’t it really might be time to hightail it to Canada.
These people are fanatics. They cannot be reasoned with. They cannot be bargained with. When CPAC invites a member of what is basically France’s version of the Neo Nazis to speak at their event, it needs to be taken seriously. If this were an isolated incident my statements might be alarmist, but with the Russian influence in our election and everything else that is going on since then, I don’t think it’s something that can be so easily dismissed as them playing games. They’re not playing.
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Well, they were a little too preoccupied to speak out at the time about Pizzagate, dontcha know, because, well, you know…
THOSE FUCKING EMAILS!
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“There’s a tone of sort of sophomoric clownishness that’s creeped into
conservatism now,” she said. “There’s this mood of trolling the
opposition, that if you can create liberal tears than anything goes.”
With books like, “Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got it Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First” and “Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help (and the Rest of Us)” it’s hard to see how Mona is not a part of the problem.
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“Principled conservative”
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It isn’t easy to speak the truth to people who hate it. I hope she can inspire more who have been afraid to speak out against the insanity of the party.
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She’s like a hooker with the clap who blames her itching on the cheap panties she bought at WalMart.
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