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Iām sure the Trinity is glad to have so many Xians to do the judging for itā¦
Phillips has maintained that he has no problem serving gay people at his store but says that making a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding would violate his Christian beliefs.
I was unaware that scripture covered the issue of gay wedding cakes. I think he made that up.
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What specifically about the cake-making process violated āhis Christian beliefsā? Was it the ingredients, the decoration or personal knowledge of the customer beyond the sphere of the cake-making process or market purchase?
You would thinkā¦or I would think that after such a long struggle Gays would be a bit more tolerant. Their fight for acceptance ( tolerance ) is not over but just how to they get there with shit like this? They were beat up for 1000ās of years and now they want to do the beating?
This is a private citizen. I agree with everyone on the public / government official thing. They should resign. But this is a fucking private person that bakes cakes. He has no history of harming Gays folks and admits he has nothing against them. Did he say āfuck you fagā to them? No. He said I cannot bake that cake and be true to my religious beliefs. So why beat him up. Get your cake elsewhere. If heās objecting on faith and not hateā¦go get your fucking cake at another joint.
Or take it to SCOTUS where The Catholic Boyz will rule Fuck You Queer in the name of Jesus and it all goes to shit.
Jesus did turn fish to more fish, right? That must have been because he didnāt want any gay people eating wedding cakeā¦
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Probably nothing actually violates his Christian beliefs but if he attends anything close to an evangelical church heās been taught that making the cake is tantamount to accepting homosexuality. Thatās ridiculous but it may be what he sincerely believes.
Good. Maybe these people will realize that breaking the law and discriminating by violating the public accommodation clause of the Civil Rights Act is maybe not a good idea or the right thing to do.
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OKā¦you can joke about Scripture and all that jazz. Youāre probably like me and a non-believer or perhaps an agnostic. You have the freedom to say what you say. But perhaps this guy is a real believerā¦a man that truly believes. He cannot take your position.
But, still, how did the āgayā aspect enter his consciousness in the making or selling process to so confound his ādo unto others as you would have them do unto youā Christianity?
Because it doesnāt stop there. I canāt rent to you because you are a black person, go live somewhere else. You canāt eat at this counter because (fill in the blank), go eat somewhere else. You canāt have that promotion because you are a woman, go work somewhere else.
If you are receiving the benefit of government services to have your business, your business is to bake wedding cakes, you bake wedding cakes exactly as they are requesting for every other person, you cannot invoke your religious beliefs to deny that service to gay people. Period. How about this, if your religious beliefs prevent you from providing a service to gay people that you provide to everyone else, how about you start a different business? Thatās not fair either, right?
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If a law office refuses to do business with Jews, how is that different than the above? Or, in your world should Jews just be thankful that they are not as persecuted as they were 100 years ago and take their business elsewhere?
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Weāre talking about ācakeā hereā¦ āA CAKE.ā But this merchant apparently has his mind centered on a word which sounds similar and has the same number of letters, instead of running a public business. Iām sorry, but these objections reveal āsexual obsessionsā not āreligious beliefs.ā
Cakes arenāt immoral. Bigotry is.
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If your religious beliefs require you to not do certain things, then itās up to you to make sure you donāt have a job (or own a business) doing those things.
This guy decided to open a business that involves making wedding cakes. Once you do that, youāre required to follow the laws about businesses, including the ones specifying that you canāt say āIāll make cakes for this group of people, but not for this other group of peopleā.
No separate water fountains, lunch counters, or bus seats for gay peopleāyou have to treat them exactly the same as you do straight people. Make sense?
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Letās remember that pretty much all of these cases are being brought because the ostensibly religious nutbar wants them brought. Theyāre not the crypto-bigot āIām all booked for that week, let me suggest someone elseā excuses, theyāre the full-on āNever darken my door ye corrupt sinners!ā
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Probably not to the OP. I suppose itās hard for him to see the world through a marginalized personās eyes.
āPhillips has maintained that he has no problem serving gay people at his storeā
Translation: Youāre going to hell but Iāll still take your money.
Shorter version: āWe love your moneyā¦but not YOU. Itās what Republican Jesus would want. Praise Jesus!ā
BTW: āIf you know anyone who needs one, we bake a lovely āDivorce Cakeā ā¦almost all our friends have requested one at some time. Itās an old Kentucky family recipe we found by Kim Davis.ā
Wrong miracle. He turned water into wine at the Cana wedding, so everyone would be too drunk to care who was getting hitched.
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Sincerity of belief that you do not have to obey a law is a defense only if it rises to the level of insanity.
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