Discussion: Conservatives Convinced They 'Debunked' NYT Writer's Story About His Son

It’s a “Cops vs All the Rest”.

Racism just makes it easier.

As does having a subservient population that thinks it is just racism.

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You just seem to worry about this because a black man is involved. Any truth in that observation?

This is the time to post Blow’s column. He’s angry and sad, and it’ll break your heart

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WHere Do YoU LIve? Maybe that is why.

And that pepper spraying cop from yesterday did nothing wrong either. Why? Because she was a woman! (Libs thought we wouldn’t notice that fact, but we conservatives are very sharp-eyed.) Plus one of the people she randomly sprayed was a woman also. So, you see, there’s no problem here. What accusations will the libs make next?.

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A lot of us faced with this question fall back on what we think John Stuart Mill said, but, in truth what he said was far less categorical than we recall:

“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”

And that’s a rare example of a thing JSM said that I agree with wholeheartedly, with neither reservation or smirk.

The distressing thing is that almost all perfectly intelligent people of a conservative bent will themselves into believing stupid things. As I was reminded by my wingnut dentist this week as he performed a delicate and complex procedure requiring mastery of much anatomical and technological knowledge on me while making fun of global warming.

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I assume you’ve read Blow’s column. He describes his son’s version of the events, and maybe the police were just policing, but the son was convenient to put their hands on. The son who is not named was just walking down a path, not running or in any way trying the leave the “scene of the crime.” Imagine a big pistol shoved into your face after the calm and quiet of a library.

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LOL Yes, that’s him and he’s standing next to Allen West and Alan Keyes.

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That’s the picture in my mind as well, but it reminds me of that scene in “A Time to Kill”, the one where the lawyer says, “Now picture she’s black.” This thing isn’t just about white cops killing black folks, it’s bigger than that. BlackLivesMatter isn’t just about the cops vs. black men, it’s about a general sense among even some black folks that black lives are of lesser value than whites. It doesn’t matter if the cop was white, black, or Latino. Had the cop accidentally discharged his weapon, as happens so often, Mr. Blow’s son wouldn’t be any less shot, injured, or dead because the cop was black.

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You mention race ur racebaiting. You don’t mention race and stick to the facts ur hiding something. Which is it?

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This may be very hard for conservatives to realize, but as a black man, I know that OTHER black people can be bigoted towards me. It happens in the black community a lot more than people know. Like I said in the orginal article about this, it should be ask questions 1st, draw guns 2nd. We’re not in the Wild Wild West anymore.

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I think that tophat picture should be ghost’s new avatar. Nice find.

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Have you ever heard the saying that “assuming makes an ass out of u and me”. Your comment just proved that statement. YOU assumed that the officer was white (actually, that is the assumption you should examine) - and saying you don’t know how any other conclusion could have been drawn from it only further proves that point. In reading the article, Mr. Blow never mentions race or that he thought the police officer was being racist against his son. Mr. Blow was illuminating the unnecessary force used in the incident NOT RACE. You say that Mr. Blow missed an opportunity to discuss the complexities of the problem when, in actuality, it is you that missed the whole gist of the piece - which is exactly the “complexities of the problem”. Also, stop trying to equate everything to Ferguson. Admit that this sort of thing has been going on long before Ferguson. The issue is the unnecessary force and poor training of police officers in general - and although there are racial elements to policing, it is not the whole issue.

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I have read it and agree with you for the most part. He was cooperative, did nothing wrong and ended up forced to the ground with a gun in his face. Clearly this is an over-reaction and terrible and unlikely to have happened to a white Yale student walking out of the library, but I don’t think it is accurate to say they just grabbed the nearest black kid, because a crime was committed. They were looking for a black male suspect that purportedly fit Blow’s son’s description.

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You don’t get it. They pulled a gun on the kid for what was a crime of petty theft by someone else, and as a father Mr. Blow reacted with genuine concern as a parent of a black son, taught how to handle these situations, but nonetheless was treated to the same indignities as any young black man because of assumptions about crime committed by black suspects, institutional prejudice, if not out-n-out racist attitudes held by many cops, black or white in most police forces around the country. Its a problem and its not a subtle one either imo. Its there for all to see over and over and over again. Some people are simply in denial about the problem.

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I think they can get stupider - just wait a few minutes.

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I’m trying (just for the heck of it) to unpack the racist assumptions that say this event must be interpreted completely differently because a black college student was threatened by a black officer rather than a white one. Are we supposed to think that having a gun pulled on you by a member of your own race in uniform is somehow less intimidating? Or that if a black officer thought he matched the description of the suspect (such as it was) that belief was more justifiable than it would have been for a white officer? Or that maybe the black officer and the black college student cooked this whole thing up between them to get headlines? All the crazy notions seem to conflict with one another.

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Unfortunately Mr. Blow is not able to be as sanguine as is expected because it is the very scenario he’d warned his son about.

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No. I get it. I also agree with you. Read what I wrote again. I objected to the statement “the police had received word of a crime nearby, so why not grab the nearest black kid”, which really isn’t a fair characterization of Blow’s column or any of the other information that has been released. I think it is important that the facts are kept straight. He was stopped, in part because he fit a description (which included skin color) and if he had only been questioned, it would have been fine. The institutional racism is inferred (I believe correctly), because he was not only stopped, but also forced to the ground at gunpoint. It is highly unlikely, a white Yale student would not get treated that way.

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Of course conservative leaders would do this. Victimhood is only allowed for conservatives.

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