Discussion: CNN: Trump Told Mueller He Was Unaware Of Trump Tower Russia Meeting

January can’t come soon enough.

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And if they catch you out, use the fail-safe Steve Martin Method of Avoiding Punishment: I Forgot!

Try it!

“But Your Honor, I Forgot that armed robbery is a crime!”

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Two serial liars claim one thing, all circumstantial evidence suggests they’re lying. Hmmmm…what to believe, what to believe…

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The noose tightens…

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I kinda see it as Trump’s Hammer: keep whacking that puppy until people start believing it.

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How long until the tweet about witch hunters using illegal perjury traps?

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LOCK HIM UP!!! :smiling_imp:

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‘He was unaware of the June 2016 Trump Tower Russia meeting’ and ‘he was answering to the best of his recollection’.

Ok. So the Tangerine ShitGibbon is going with his strengths. Cognitive infirmity.

That defence may actually work. His history of lying, embellishment and making shit up and then denying what he said, even when recorded, will actually help him.

Your honour, my client has a long history of know-nothingness and non-recollection (see public record). Justice Bret ‘Chug & Blackout’ Kavanaugh will then draw on his personal history to write the decision.

And Fuckstick von Clownstein walks.

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I fear this is becoming an “in your face” power play which will be hard for the good guys to win. Both these answers and Manafort’s naked attempts to serve as a “Trump mole” after he “fake flipped” are overt challenges to Mueller’s authority to investigate the circumstances surrounding the 2016 election. This is straight out of a Russian totalitarian playbook.

There are not now and never will be 67 votes in the US Senate to convict Trump of anything - even if he committed murder. The only way justice is served is to defeat Trump’s re-election bid in 2020.

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Please proceed, Mr. President.

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Indeed. This is the president’s normal MO: talk about what isn’t at issue, create engrossing distractions for the public and the media, sail on to the next disaster.

Trying it with Mueller probably isn’t going to fly as well as it has in the past.

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So if he unaware of the meeting, why did he write Jr’s excuse? Jr. is a big boy and certainly handled it by releasing emails exchanges. No way in hell did Trump not know of the meet and greet at Trump Tower.

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“Russia, if you’re listening, . . . .”

Oh, they were listening.

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight , he was unaware - says the Head Grifter .

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Okay, but can we all agree that this isn’t nearly as bad as lying about getting a blowjob from an intern? I mean that blowjob might have destroyed the world (somehow) had we not been told about it (100,000 times in 1998 alone).

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There is almost no chance that either or both of Trump’s statements are accurate. Whether they rise to the level of a false statement/perjury depends on how much work courts are willing to let the phrase ‘to the best of my knowledge’ do.

The idea that Trump didn’t know about the Trump Tower meeting lacks even a modicum of credibility. He was in the building, on the same floor, probably no more than 100 ft from it. 3 attendees of that meeting met with him for a finance meeting almost immediately thereafter. Then there are his tweets hinting at big news which suggest anticipation of getting valuable info from this meeting. There is Junior’s phone log, which has records of calls to blocked numbers right in the timeline of when Junior first spoke/communicated with Rob Goldstone about said meeting. On top of that there is the fact that this meeting request came from the well connected Agalarov family, which is an inquiry Trump would’ve wanted to know about. On top of that there’s Michael Cohen, who seemed to know that such a meeting took place and has intimated that Trump spoke openly about it. There’s likely a bundle of evidence there, and we haven’t even gotten to the email/text correspondence yet.

Regarding Stone, Stone did say that he spoke with Trump regularly. The idea that Wikileaks never came up after Trump made multiple references to them in several speeches isn’t credible. Stone left a massive paper/text trail. He spread his information widely among his network. He used that network to crowdsource solutions on how to use the information that the Russians/Wikileaks had. He also gave suggestions to Trump on a regular basis (likely Trump Jr too). Even if Roger wanted to fall on his sword for Trump in hopes of a pardon, I think the volume of traffic out there is too much to ignore.

I’ve long wondered in the back of my mind about 2 possibilities:

  • if you’re the Russians, wouldn’t you consider trying to pin the whole thing on Stone/Corsi/Manafort/Gates/Assange et al? They’re of no use to them anymore, and putting the blame on them may make it easier for Trump to distance himself. What if Guccifer 2.0 made a reappearance and did an email drop? Trump’s strategy, such as it is, is limiting his ability to get distance from these clowns. It makes any pardon suspect and he’s a bit frozen in place. I suppose Trump is more scared of Corsi/Stone flipping against him so he’s bending over backwards to engage them in a corrupt obstruction endeavor, but that’s not likely to last. The Trump administration’s response to the latest Russian act of aggression in Ukraine can’t be viewed that favorably by Moscow. While Trump has given the usual permission slips, others have not, and it could boost Dems who push for more sanctions. There’s little Trump could do to stop it.

  • If you’re Mitch McConnell, what’s the value of Trump to you in the next Congressional session and for the 2020 election campaign? You have a 3 seat cushion in the Senate; you have the inside track to retake the AL-SEN seat in '20; and you’ve got a lot of GOPers up for re-election in red states with a few tough outs like Joni Ernst that are going to be tough for Dems to displace. All you care about if you’re Mitch is judges. You’re not getting any big tax cuts/health care/entitlement/regs whacks out of Nancy. It’s all about the judges. Trump makes your party unpopular. They’re getting the data back on how toxic he was. I think any GOP leader could drive big turnout in deep red, rural counties. I don’t think Trump’s performance this past election was anything special. He hurt more than he helped. They just won a few gimme home games, got help from a bad ballot design in Broward County, FL and got a few racists to come out and vote in about 3 states to stave off a Senate disaster. The GOP can get racists out to vote in any election. They don’t need Trump for that.

Why wouldn’t you be inclined to ease Trump out of office early in 2019, let a GOP primary run its course, allow your party to shed its Trumpist baggage enough to do better in suburbs and compete? All the while, you keep ramming judges through with Pence at the helm?

I know these seem like remote possibilities, but I do think there’s a certain logic to them from Russia’s and Mitch’s self interest.

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Bullsheet! After Don Jr agreed to the meeting but before it occurred.

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Sad, considering he needs a lot of it.

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Dear CNN,

If it’s what you say I love it

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