Discussion: CNN: Draft Memo Shows Trump May Look At Renegotiating NAFTA On Day 1

Oh, and the hero of of the working man wants to ease Wall Street regulations. And now, miraculously, he’ll get to. For JOBS don’t you know.

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I have deep sympathy for the rust belt folks, but I have little sympathy for folks who believes in fairy tales. And thinking the US killing off free trade deals for renegotiating them is going to bring certain types of jobs back to the US is a fairytale. And a fairy tale that far too many progressives also believe.

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He seems to think he’ll have a lot of time on Day 1. He doesn’t finish getting sworn in until 1:00 p.m., then they take him to the White House, show him around, introduce him to various people. His staff will be finding their desks, software, how to work things, then there’s the inaugural balls, because everyone wants a piece of the new president.

Oh wait. He doesn’t think. Never mind.

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Well, this memo talks about more than just NAFTA. I am aware it’s mostly dead…but he still says he wants to kill it even though the majority of Republicans don’t…he talked about TPP a great deal. it’s in this post. He used it against HRC. It’s interesting to me how much he differs from Republicans on this.

It was also in the memo that is being reported even though the headline talks about just NAFTA.

Like bring back coal. That’s my favorite.
Coal has been in decline for decades as power companies and others switch to cheaper natural gas. Why have trains moving your energy when you can have a pipe deliver it with limited infrastructure .
Did any of the coal country rubes noticed the coal companies switched to mountain top removal to remove those expensive humans from the process
It’s about profit for anyone but you

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He’ll need those 140 characters to staff the Executive Branch, then some.

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Much of the infrastructure in dormant or dying industries is outmoded, worn out, or wholly insufficient for competition in the world of commerce and trade. Many of the workers hoping their industries are revived are lacking the skills, education, creativity or work ethic that allowed them to work and compete 10-15 years ago when what they did or made was a viable offering in the marketplace.
When someone does decide to resuscitate an industry they build a new facility full of robotics and other labor saving methods, producing the same amount of product (less expensively, or else they wouldn’t even be trying) with 100 people that a decade ago took 1000. The 55 year old coal miner hoping his mine reopens, or expands production, so he can eke out ten more years of earnings before retiring is living in a sad fantasy world. He’s done. He can’t educate himself quickly enough for another trade, and if he tried he’d be asking someone for a job while at the same time pushing 60 years old. He’s chaff. A drag on the nation. In the wild the lions would take him down and make him lunch. But we’re humans, have empathy, owe him compassion. So we let him go to the ballot box and fuck up the country by electing Donald Trump. Frankly we’d be better off if the lions had got to him first.

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Can you say, “In WAY over his head.”?

Your forgetting that if the donald doesn’t get a “better deal” he can sue them.

This guy was all about creating jobs - manufacturing jobs. But this is the first thing he has on his agenda? That will sure enough take care of any markets for these products.

There will be little satisfaction to draw from a Trump Presidency. What we will get to watch is Trump and his band of misfit toys being constantly confronted with the reality the world is not Play-Doh, a malleable toy for them to make into what they want. It’s more like the Halloween apple with a pin or razor secreted within. The whole crew is in for a rude awakening. The danger lies in how they deal with resistance and failures. Unfortunately the rumored team being assembled will probably react with “Let’s bomb the shit out of them!!”

tpp is far from dead…you do realize other countries are involved?
and nafta…SHOULD be destroyed…having done zip for american workers…but the POINT is trump…who fancies himself a great business man…is never doing to do a thing for the working man because that is in direct contradiction to what is best for corporate america.

As I said last night, one of the hallmarks of the Bush maladministration’s foreign policy was telling other countries what America wanted and expecting it done. In any negotiation, the other side has to be somewhat receptive to what you are offering.

What is Rump offering? The assumption appears to be “do it.” Why? Because we’re America. SO let’s say Mexico (because, honestly, that’s who we’re really referring to now) tells us they’re not going to renegotiate, they’re just going to walk away. Then what? Considering GM just axed 2,000 jobs here as of the first of the year and Ford makes their smaller car line down there, I’m not really seeing the leverage Rump has.

EDIT TO ADD: @jadez TPP may very well be dead in regards to American participation. I’ve heard that some other Asian countries just weren’t particularly receptive to some of the things we wanted put in. It may become a trade deal of predominately Pac Rim nations.

If NAFTA is scuttled, what do we do as an alternative?

these trade deals ALL of them are corporate power take overs…of the country represented by the business…in fact they SUPERSEDE a nations LAWS!..politicians are owned by corporate interests …that is s why you see them …passed…it is NEVER about leverage because it is NEVER about the working class it is ALWAYS about how much individual corporate interests get served.
add @brooklyndweller…i hope i did this right…being new here…
yes…there are in fights regarding tpp…but remember obama leaves office supporting it as do most republicans and dems…see above…the only REAL pressure to these deals comes from ground swell demos.

You’re not listening to what I’m asking you. You’re listening to yourself. Or rather, I should say, you’re listening to left wing talking points. I’m asking again: specifically,

If NAFTA is scuttled, what do we do as an alternative?

Actually, this is right along the lines of what I’d expect. Lots and lots of populist sound bites about how President Trump is seeking to renegotiate NAFTA on behalf of America’s workers, preparing to build a wall to secure America’s borders, and so on. But the elites in Congress are all working to stop him from making America great again.

And maybe this (depending how emboldened the anti-democracy faction is): People, these elites in Congress must be replaced with loyal Tea Party representatives. Steve Bannon has a list.

Ready! Shoot! Aim!

Boy, the revolution trolls are out in force now all over the 'net, aren’t they. Everyone with the same talking points.

Unicorns! Fairy dust!

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lol…didnt realize you were talking to me…LOOK…Tech…has made these jobs impossible to recover…a recent factory opening is using 400 workers when 10 years age it would have required 4TIMES that amount to stay afloat…and i am not sure why you ask a question like what is the alternative…when nafta has done nothing but lose jobs…you equate the truth to talking points in order to dismiss it…why dont YOU have the answer to your question?
there are plenty of places to go to understand what nafta is…try michael hudson…and go from there.

In addition to the competition from cheap natgas. Appalachian coal is simply running out – a fact that’s been well known since 1995. Not only that, but it was never the government that took away coal mining jobs in West Virginia; it was the coal companies. Companies switched from mining to mountaintop removal. It only takes four people for a mountaintop removal operation – no need for a crew of miners.

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