Ah, you have a good memory! Great pic. The good nuns of St Mary’s elementary school always told me I was incorrigible.
Gonna sit back and watch now. See ya later alligator - at the TPM Crisis & Sedation Center. Keep a close eye on tena (she’s the leader) and chammy. Chelsea too. Separate cells I’m thinking.
Love that smile!
Did I directly accuse you of being one of those white males? Have a nice day.
I think the DubYa 2000 campaign is pretty similar to Trump’s So many people, like most here I’m sure, saw right through that dipshit’s “Compassionate Conservatism” bullshit. We saw the corrupt and jaded people he surrounded himself with. We saw the trajectory of his presidency right from the beginning and raised the red flags. But a lot of people didn’t and they get a vote too.
And just like in 2000, the right-wing hit job against the Clintons his working wonders once more. They do a great job of slandering the Clintons. I am baffled by how the rest of the MSM carries the water for the nutters. This is the first election that has truly made me lose all faith in journalism. I’m also gobsmacked by most people’s inability to separate fact from fiction, too, opinion from journalism.
Many here called it months and months ago. This race HAD to get close. The MSM NEEDS a tight horserace in order to make money and make careers. Imagine a Super Bowl where only one team shows up. A Final Four with two forfeits. An Olympics with the US team versus me and my thick bellied bowling buddies. That’s what this race looked like after the conventions. So of course things had to tighten. Trump coverage had to lighten up. Clinton had to be scrutinized.
Also too, any Bernie supporter that thinks Sanders would have walked away with this is seriously delusional. They would have crucified him just as much as Hillary. His age, his Socialist moniker, his finances, his record, his health, his ability to serve 4 years without dying, Alllllll that and more would have been twisted and turned against him. Every relationship he’s ever had, every person he’s ever talked to that could be turned into a dark passenger would have been churned up, all kinds of stuff we don’t even know about. Hillary took the high road in the primaries so Sanders was never really put through the ringer. And what little political mischief that was tossed his way he reacted poorly. Of the people who ran, the Dems chose the right person. And now we win or lose with her.
Still, I have no doubt that Hillary will win, but it won’t be the cake walk we thought it would be after the convention. And what will suck is that she will win, she will be the first female US president and everyone will be disappointed because she didn’t win big enough or flashy enough or whatever enough. And because she is Hillary, we will suffer 4 years of hit jobs and whiny ass titty babies sucking up all the oxygen in the room.
God, I hate this election.
There is no “Democratic Inaction”.
Hillary gives major policy speeches and they are not even covered on MSNBC more or less on the other channels.
Why, because Trump is TWEETING!
She holds rallies with tens of thousands in attendance and the MSM does not report about it at all on the Nightly News because “A cop was shot today! When will Hillary end the Violence?”.
Trump leads the MSM around by the nose and they LOVE HIM for it.
He insults women, minorities, the disabled, veterans, the poor, calls the middle-class “Stupid”, threatens our alliances, insults our Allies, and sucks up to our enemies and he is LIONIZED for it.
Face it. The American People will get the President THEY DESERVE on Nov. 8th.
Oh, I hope not. I’m not an American, I don’t deserve him, but I’ll be stuck with him, too.
Ask yourself this - If Joe Biden had been the candidate, considering that he voted for the Iraq War, was late to the party on gay marriage, etc, would you be saying the same?
Oh, and it really irritates me that I have to keep saying this - the AUMF vote was NOT a “vote for the Iraq War.” Do your homework.
No, you didn’t accuse me personally. You accused Sanders of riding “the White Male bus”, implying I think that he had supporters who were sexist, and he was pandering to them. It’s reported variously that 80 to 90+% of Sanders supporters are going to vote for Clinton, and that some of the remainder plan on voting for Stein, a woman. If, as has been implied by some Clinton supporters, Sanders supporters were almost all white men, then it would seem that a majority of those white men are clearly prepared to vote for a woman. If, on the other hand, Sanders’ supporters consisted of a large number of women* and people of color, then you can hardly accuse Sanders of riding “the White Male bus”, now can you?
My whole point is this: all this Sanders bashing is at best unproductive. That fault, nic, lies not in the stars or in Sanders, but in Clinton. I wish it weren’t so, because I really dread having President Trump.
*fun fact: In WV D primary exit polling Sanders carried women 50-37% over Clinton. Deplorables, I guess.
Oh, FFS.
I would have had trouble with Biden, although to a lesser degree because Biden admitted that the war vote was a mistake early on. He also, as far as I know, didn’t fight the increase of the minimum wage in Haiti, or support the coup in Honduras, or make millions of bucks in speaking fees from people who have government business, etc… But I admit I haven’t scrutinized him as much, as he’s not running for President, is he now?
Oh, my bad. It was a vote to Authorize Use of Military Force in Iraq. Totally different! The title of the bill wasn’t “Iraq War”!
Yes, all of this. I, too, am having serious 2000 flashbacks. I think I have better drugs for election night now, though.
Agreed. Not sure how many times her speech before her vote needs to be played in order to see that she wasn’t rushing to war. That she made a vote based on the intel of the moment and discussion with the admin. She took it very seriously. And she made the wrong vote. She’s owned it. It was a bad vote. Still, faced with the people we had to choose from during this cycle, she is still the best person, imo, to fulfill the job of POTUS. Even with that vote. She is the best qualified, imo, of those that ran.
You sure do seem to be emotionally invested in her losing.
Oh yes, I can so “accuse” him, and I do, because he chose not to run until he thought he could win, against a woman. Bernie Sanders is no saint, and many of his erstwhile male supporters and those who were thinking about voting for him, are gonna “hold their noses” and vote for HRC, because she’s a “lesser evil” than Donald Trump. All that says is that they are (I presume) smarter than average.
And I consider this a discussion of ONE issue germane to the subject of this post: Trump/Clinton polls being close and reasons for the aforementioned. “Bernie Bashing” is something else entirely. I’d link you to some of it, but I’m over here on TPM for a reason: rational discussion.
The only person (term loosely applied) who you’ll find me “bashing” is Trump.
I’ll watch the debates, but this is what has me the most nervous. The post-debate wrap-up articles have already been written and are just awaiting some small bits of info to fill the placeholders. What we see on the screen, as individuals, is mostly irrelevant. Clinton will win on all of the things that should matter in a free world, but the media will claim a tie or slight Trump victory based on him not calling Clinton a “cunt” on national television. We have a goddamned, balls-to-the-wall white nationalist con artist, running on a white nationalist campaign polling even with a competent former Sec. of State, and our media is too afraid and profit-driven to speak the truth. It’s shameful.
First, Kerry admitted years earlier that his vote was a mistake. Second, he was running against Bush, during the war. A slightly different set of circumstances.
Again, the vast majority of Sanders supporters are voting for Clinton. I am sure that there were some sexist dbags among the Sanders supporters, but it’s been exaggerated the point of myth, sort of like the supposed hoards of anti-war protesters spitting on vets returning home from Vietnam.
Yeah, well, most Democrats in Congress didn’t fall for it. Then there’s this:
“Part of what certainly influenced me” to support the Iraq war was George Bush pledging billions to rebuild New York after 9/11 a year before her vote, Hillary Clinton said last night. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/03/what-certainly-influenced-me-to-support-iraq-war-clinton-says-was-bushs-billions-of-aid-to-nyc/#sthash.YL1mQZmy.dpuf
Heck, no. I will be far sadder to wake up post election night to the specter of a Trump presidency. That’s why I’m incredulous that she’s doing so poorly. I’m also of the belief that my comments on this site will not be the decisive factor in a possible Trump victory.
Regarding emotional investment: TPM would be out of business if its readers weren’t emotionally invested. At least the comments section would be much smaller.
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Oh yes, I can so “accuse” him, and I do, because he chose not to run until he thought he could win, against a woman.
[/quote] Are you seriously suggesting that the mere fact of his running makes him a sexist? And don’t most candidates run thinking that they could win? And aren’t there policy differences between Clinton and Sanders that might explain his decision to run, rather than their respective genders?
Do what helps. Donate, volunteer, and vote.
Yes, your bad. It gave the President the authority. It did not encourage or call for an invasion. Read Hillary’s signing statement.
And anyway, does anyone doubt that Bush-Cheney would have done exactly the same thing in Iraq, with or without the AUMF?
No it’s not just one poll. There are several polls out that show a dead heat. And numerous polls showing a tie or Trump lead in what were Obama states 4 years ago.
I never said that he ran purely for sexist reasons: you said I said that 
His platform is still inspiring to me*, at the other end of the world. I fully believe that he chose to run because he felt that he had a very good chance of getting his platform supported by those who didn’t want to vote for a woman. A summarization there is “He thought he could win”. Is that calling him a sexist? No. It’s calling a great big chunk of his supporters sexist, and the sad part? Some of those people are women.
