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Sanders called the attack âa low blow,â pointing out that he has served as a senator under Obama for the last seven years and admires what the president has accomplished.
Then start fucking talking like it, instead of peddling the âwe are doomed without a ârevolutionââŚâ nonsense.
Look, I like Sanders and have been leaning his direction, but come on âlow blowââŚ?
Fucking pathetic. That was a glass-jaw response.
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I know Bernie canât help it, BUT âŚwhen he says Barackâs name it sounds like he saying Obummer.
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If he hopes to take the country left of Obama â he needs to lead the cheers.
And that would be the majority of Democrats, including me.
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âFrom my perspective, maybe because I understand what President Obama inheritedânot only the worst financial crisis but the antipathy of the Republicans in Congress,â Clinton said. âI donât think he gets the credit he deserves for being a President who dug us out of that ditch, put us on firm ground and himself sent us into the future.â
I thought she was fantastic, at the best Iâve seen her in this exchange. I thought she wasnât merely defending Obama, although her defense was outstanding, she was also talking about the shit Republicans have flung at her for the last two and a half decades. It seemed like she was signaling that she knew better than anyone (except her husband) what itâs like to have to fight the GOP tooth and nail when youâre trying to do whatâs right for this country, only to have your own party shit on you and deny the credit deserved.
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âBut you know what?â he continued. "Last I heard we lived in a Democratic society. Last I heard a United States senator had the right to disagree with the president, including a president who has done such an extraordinary job.â
âSure the President has done an extraordinary job, but I disagree with that awesome job he did, because⌠because it will fire up âthe leftâ and taps into a populist framing of everything, which is what my campaign consists of to almost the elusion of all else.â
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As I said at the outset, I think the issues Sanders talks about are hugly important, but I am more and more getting evermore leery of the constant running against Obama and the accomplishments that need to be built on and expanded, not talked-down, discounted, trashed-talked and dismissed.
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I was convinced on that point back in 2008. Hillary was much more prepared, and in my view, realistic, about what sort of obstructionism was coming to whoever won that race. And history proved her right, Obama dithered around a long time hoping the GOP would meet him half way on SOMETHING,ANYTHINGâŚbefore he finally realized it was never going to happen.
My suspicion is that plays a lot into why the Carney thing happened the way he did. Obama knows that we need a pragmatic leader in the White House that isnât looking at the world, the country or the opposition through rose colored glasses. Heâs been there and has the scars to prove it.
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Low blow. snorts
And his response? âYeah, well, you ran against him!!â And because you talked to Kissinger you have the blood on your hands of The Killing Fields.
Talk about swinging below the waistline with fanciful stuff, buddy. And every point she laid out, Bernie has actually said or done. As opposed to Hillary plotting huge massacres in Cambodia.
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âFrom my perspective, maybe because I understand what President Obama inheritedânot only the worst financial crisis but the antipathy of the Republicans in Congress,â Clinton said. âI donât think he gets the credit he deserves for being a President who dug us out of that ditch, put us on firm ground and himself sent us into the future.â
Well stated, Mrs. Clinton. Well stated. Thank you.
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Iâm finally beginning to âfeel the bern.â Listening to him tonight made the bile rise.
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"Last I heard we lived in a Democratic society. Last I heard a United States senator had the right to disagree with the president, including a president who has done such an extraordinary job.â
I thought the above sounded extremely petty and childish. Of course, itâs a Democratic society and, of course, he has the right to disagree with the president. Others have the right to challenge that disagreement, to push back on his assessment. To act as though challenging his opinion of the president was a low blow or somehow unfair was just silly.
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Hillary was on her game tonight. I saw the woman âeveryoneâ says she is. She wasnât Al Gore, John Kerry or even Martha Coakley. She showed her knowledge, intellect and experience. And then she says Sanders criticism of Obama is comparable to the GOP and distorts what he has actually said.
It may be good politics but ⌠She won tonight, definitely. And I like Bernie. But with this one statement, well, sheâs a Clinton.
It is true, Obama doesnât get as much credit as he deserves for what he has accomplished. Perhaps it is just the view of expectations - like in baseball - you see a kid who you think is the next Willie Mays - he has it all. But he never quite achieves that level. Oh donât get me wrong. Heâs good - heâs damn good - but it just feels like wasted potential.
As for Obama,I always remember his statement when they were trying to pass Dodd-Frank and was getting resistance from the financial sector. It went something like - âHey guys - my administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.â The pitchforks needed to get closer.
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Am I the only one who heard Hillary defend the coal industry tonight? Really? The coal industry? One of the most polluting substances on the earth?
And what about her talking about unions? This, from a woman who sat on Wal-Martâs board and was completely comfortable with their efforts to deny their employees union representation? Hillary is a hypocrite and a corporate shill.
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Funny, because her, âyou gotta get realâ criticism of Sanders (echoed by a number of her supporters) is exactly what Iâve heard from the GOP for decades now.
Hope and change R.I.P. 2008-2016.
Once again, Sanders is not Obama, in any shape or form.
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She wasnât defending the coal industry. She was playing politics and trying to gather support from as many political groups as possible. I venture that green energy, which is what we need for the future, will devastate the last decent paying jobs in coal country. Comparable to Michigan losing the auto industry. So she was trying to appeal to the miners, who are not strong Democratic voters.
As for unions, sheâs playing to her base in Wisconsin and the anti-union sentiment promoted by Walker and the rest of the GOP. Gave her audience a good applause line.
Calculated, but better played than she normally does.
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Pennsylvania, Ohio,West Virginia,Kentucky,North Carolina and Tennessee all hold Democratic primaries too
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Bernieâs response had a Dan Quayle quality to it.
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I dunno but I think weâll hear more from her on this in the runup to Nevada. WJC and BHO won Nevada twice. Bernie better watch what he says.