Discussion: Clinton Squeaks Out A Win Over Sanders In Iowa

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Clinton declaring victory so early was so dumb.

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Indeed. A near tie like this is a big win for Sanders.

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With Iowa Too Close To Call, Clinton And Sanders Each Claim Victory

Please move away from the clickbait.
You are standing too close to the clickbait.

Um. No they didn’t; not in reality.
They both touted why they were running and why that seems to resonate.

A win for the party.

jw1

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Since TPM is generally pro-Clinton, the fact this result is not the main headline means it was a victory for Sanders.

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Eight more years (of Marshall’s passive-aggressive whining about the person to beat Hillary)!

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And HRH HRC was the one supposed to sweep all before her in this great, headlong rush of victory. Well, Cinderella, I have big News for you. There IS a loyal opposition to the coronation everyone is expecting. And the counting, and possibly the re-counting, isn’t over yet.
If HRH HRC was supposed to be this all conquering “Shoo-in” one thing has been proved tonight. The glass slipper may not fit as well as she thinks.

Actually, the HRC campaign declared an outright victory with only 80% of precincts reporting, to the puzzlement, consternation, and nonpluss-ment of the MSNBC pundits I had on the telly.

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She didn’t declare victory, neither did Sanders (other than both declaring moral victories for where they want to take the nation).

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Love to see a clip then.
I’ve read that she did not.

Here then, MSNBC must be hedging?

From the article:

With NBC and other news outlets waiting to declare a winner in the race, Clinton did not announce victory before departing the state for New Hampshire,

jw1

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Bullshit. You are simply lying with that statement. Neither candidate actually declared victory, much less Clinton doing so when it was at 80% since she didn’t even come onto the stage until it was 95% reporting.

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Yea, I don’t get it. Both declaring victory in the headline but neither doing so in the story. Bad reporting.

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not.

It’ll be somewhat positive for her if she at least eaks out a tiny victory. Bernie’s going to flatten her in NH. If that becomes her second loss, it’s a tough situation. UPDATE: She can have a small glass of champagne with her breakfast today!!

My FSM Wolf Blitzer is terrible. I forgot how bad he really is until watching CNN this evening.

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there are plenty of supporters for both on tpm. there are also plenty that like both but prefer one over the other. face it, both are light years better than the gop riffraff.

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Hope you folks don’t mind if I re-post this here. I promise I won’t make a habit of copying/pasting comments to more than one thread…well, except maybe the disclaimer and image at the end…

Fine speeches by both the Hillary and Bernie tonight. And both camps have something to be grateful for – Hillary avoided an embarrasssing (if not necessarily all that consequential) loss, if her lead holds she gets to call it a win (albeit a narrow one) and her campaign will argue, not without merit, that she fought him to a draw (or narrow win) on the kind of demographic terrain that has been most favorable for him so far. In other words, the Clinton campaign’s argument will be (as some article put it the other day) that IA and NH will be “as good as it gets” for the Sanders campaign.

Meanwhile, Bernie gets the well-deserved bragging rights that come from starting at nowhere in the polls with no money or organization and almost no name recognition, and fighting his way to a tie with one of the best-known names in the world, who had tons of money and the best organization imaginable. Whatever you think of Bernie or his campaign, there’s no denying that’s quite an impressive feat, even if he comes up just short of actual victory in IA (and that’s not settled yet, at least as of this hour).

So, Bernie comes in at least close enough to avoid the “that’s it, his campaign’s over” spin – or at least I think that’s the case – and he keeps his supporters, volunteers and legions of small donors all feeling hopeful and motivated. If he wins big in New Hampshire (which looks fairly likely), he may get a significant “second look” from voters in the next round of states (“second look” doesn’t guarantee they come his way, but it at least opens up that possibility). Not as big an effect on the narrative as a clean “sweep” of solid victories in both IA and NH would have got him, but could still be a decent bump.

And, most importantly, I believe that we all win, because this race continues to look like a real race, which keeps people paying attention to the Democratic race and keeps Democratic themes and issues and the Democratic contenders squarely in the media spotlight alongside the Republican race, rather than ceding all that free attention and airtime to the GOP and their hateful message.

[Standard Disclaimer: This commenter wishes it to be known that in November he or she plans to vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that turns out to be, and will encourage their fellow primary candidate supporters to do likewise.]

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I watched her speech. She did no such thing.

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grow up.

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It was definitely reported by MSNBC that the campaign had declared victory in Iowa, well ahead of even the Rubio speech. The MSNBC coverage spoke for a while about how that was probably a tactical mistake, but when HRC gave her speech and didn’t declare victory, they seem to have let the earlier claim be forgotten.

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