Discussion: Clinton Concedes Presidential Election To Trump In Shocking Upset

Okay enough. Someone wake me up. Please wake me up this has gone on long enough.


Wouldn’t have gone this way with Sanders. The DNC only has itself to blame. Say, who are the chair and co-chair these days anyway? Or are the two disgraced chairs still empty?

Sorry but fuck you. You help nothing here.


Clinton was, empirically, so bad a candidate, she handed conservatives a governing mandate based around white nationalism. It’s not necessarily just or any kind of substantive criticism of her as a person or effective civil servant, but it’s also objective reality. Way to go Dems. Great job.

You even got my vote, and all my state’s electoral votes, based on how abhorant the opposition was, but you’re candidate was still so bad a choice… here we are.

You can’t pick your electorate, just your candidate and campaign. You can’t blame the electotate for being stupid when you’re not smart enough to get their vote.

We probably won’t know for sure until tomorrow, but it’s likely that - by the time all the votes are counted in CA - Clinton will win the popular vote. So, no, she didn’t hand the Republicans a mandate.

Of course, Trump will claim a mandate anyway, just as Bush fils did. But she didn’t hand it to them.

I blame Comey, vote suppression enabled by John Roberts and the rest of the Conservatives on the Supreme Court, and the network executives who gave Trump billions of dollars in free advertising - and, of course, all the people who voted for Trump.


The Myth of t3h Unicorn Mage is an imbecilic fairytale of something that never was, fit only for telling to other imbecilic children. Bernie was, and continues to be, very nearly as unfit for office as tRump.

tl;dr - Consider pulling your head out of your ass. You have nothing to add to a reality-based conversation until you do so.


The Republic Repeals Itself
By Andrew Sullivan

"“To see what is in front of one’s nose is a constant struggle,” George Orwell famously observed. So what is it that we have just seen?

We are witnessing the power of a massive populist movement that has now upended the two most stable democracies in the world — and thrown both countries into a completely unknown future. In Britain, where the polls did not pick up the latent support for withdrawal from the European Union, a new prime minister is now navigating a new social contract with the indigenous middle and working classes forged by fear of immigration and globalization. In the U.S., the movement — built on anti-political politics, economic disruption, and anti-immigration fears — had something else, far more lethal, in its bag of tricks: a supremely talented demagogue who created an authoritarian cult with unapologetically neo-fascist rhetoric. Britain is reeling toward a slow economic slide. America has now jumped off a constitutional cliff. It will never be the same country again. Like Brexit, this changes the core nature of this country permanently.

This is now Trump’s America. He controls everything from here on forward. He has won this campaign in such a decisive fashion that he owes no one anything. He has destroyed the GOP and remade it in his image. He has humiliated the elites and the elite media. He has embarrassed every pollster and naysayer. He has avenged Obama. And in the coming weeks, Trump will not likely be content to bask in vindication. He will seek unforgiving revenge on those who dared to oppose him. The party apparatus will be remade in his image. The House and Senate will fail to resist anything he proposes — and those who speak up will be primaried into oblivion. The Supreme Court may well be shifted to the far right for more than a generation to come — with this massive victory, he can pick a new Supreme Court justice who will make Antonin Scalia seem like a milquetoast. He will have a docile, fawning Congress for at least four years. We will not have an administration so much as a court.

Almost certainly, as in Britain, the left, already radicalized, will respond by moving ever farther left, leaving the now openly revanchist right — far more radical than the Tory government in Britain — with total control over the levers of power. They will not let those levers go easily. They will likely build a propaganda machine more powerful than Fox and Breitbart — and generate pseudo-stories and big lies that, absent any authoritative or trusted media, will dominate the new centers of information, Facebook or its successors. We will be in a new political and media universe in which an authoritarian cult will thrive. This is how fascists tend to govern.

The only sliver of hope is that his promises cannot be kept. He cannot bring millions of jobs back if he triggers a trade war. He cannot build a massive new wall across the entire southern border and get Mexico to pay for it. He cannot deport millions of illegal immigrants, without massive new funding from Congress and major civil unrest. He cannot “destroy ISIS”; his very election will empower it in ways its leaders could not possibly have hoped for. He cannot both cut taxes on the rich, fund a massive new infrastructure program, boost military spending, protect entitlements, and not tip the U.S. into levels of debt even Paul Krugman might blanch at. At some point, a few timid souls in the GOP may mention the concepts of individual liberty or due process or small government or balanced budgets. At some point even his supporters may worry or balk, and his support may fade.

But hope fades in turn when you realize how absolute and total his support clearly is. His support is not like that of a democratic leader but of a cult leader fused with the idea of the nation. If he fails, as he will, he will blame others, as he always does. And his cult followers will take their cue from him and no one else. “In Trump We Trust,” as his acolyte Ann Coulter titled her new book. And so there will have to be scapegoats — media institutions, the Fed, the “global conspiracy” of bankers and Davos muckety-mucks he previewed in his rankly anti-Semitic closing ad, rival politicians whom he will demolish by new names of abuse, foreign countries and leaders who do not cooperate, and doubtless civilians who will be targeted by his ranks of followers and demonized from the bully pulpit itself. The man has no impulse control and massive reserves of vengeance and hatred. In time, as his failures mount, the campaigns of vilification will therefore intensify. They will have to.

And then there will be a terror attack — or several, as he defines the global battle against terror as one against an entire religion and breathes new life into Al Qaeda and ISIS. What he does after such an attack is utterly predictable, given his past statements, and will likely decimate what civil liberties we have left. Then there will be a clash between police and largely black protestors after another unarmed black man is shot. And he will relish a show of massive police force that will inflame this country in ways probably not seen since the 1960s. Then he will reinstate Guantánamo and capture prisoners and torture them until the truth he wants is extracted. That truth will be used to further advance the “war against Islam.” He will make every Muslim American feel afraid — and foment suspicion and hatred among their neighbors. Every single thing we have come to know about this man all but predicts each of these things will come about. All of them portend the end of the America that the world has long known and now must fear.

I see no way to stop this at first, but some of us will have to try. And what we must seek to preserve are the core institutions that he may threaten — the courts, first of all, even if he shifts the Supreme Court to an unprecedentedly authoritarian-friendly one. Then the laws governing the rules of war, so that war crimes do not define America as their disavowal once did. Then the free press, which he will do all he can to intimidate and, if possible, bankrupt. Then the institutions he will have to destroy to achieve what he wants — an independent Department of Justice as one critical bulwark, what’s left of the FBI that will not be an instrument of his reign of revenge, our scientific institutions, and what’s left of free thought in our colleges and universities. We will need to march peacefully on the streets to face down the massive intimidation he will at times present to a truly free and open society. We have to hold our heads up high as we defend the values of the old republic, even as it crumbles into authoritarian dust. We must be prepared for nonviolent civil disobedience. We must transcend racial and religious division in a movement of resistance that is as diverse and as open as the new president’s will be uniform and closed.

And, impossible though it may be, we will have to resist partisanship. The only way back to a free society, to a country where no one need fear the president’s wrath or impulses, is to unwind the factionalism that has helped destroy this country. We have to forge a new coalition on right and left to resist fascism’s reach and cultic power. In a country which just elected and re-elected a black president — whose grace feels now almost painful to recall — it is surely possible.

I will leave you with these words about what has now happened to America. Someone saw it coming a long time ago:

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
That was George Washington’s Farewell Address.

A country designed to resist tyranny has now embraced it. A constitution designed to prevent democracy taking over everything has now succumbed to it. A country once defined by self-government has openly, clearly, enthusiastically delivered its fate into the hands of one man to do as he sees fit. After 240 years, an idea that once inspired the world has finally repealed itself. We the people did it."


This shit about Bernie just pisses me off. His supporters were soo blind as to not see the threat that Trump was and is now… Bernie lost and instead of taking the loss and voting for Hillary. Bernie’s supporters whined and cried then let wikkileaks manipulate them right before the DNC.

So instead of getting on board to prevent a monster from winning. Alot of Bernie supporters got off the band wagon and in the process F_cked their futures up. GOOD JOB. Especially the young Bernie supporters who ran around saying they couldn’t vote for Hillary cause they didn’t trust her. Like they were voting for the Pope.

This country never learns. Obama got us outta a tough economic situation. Then 8 years later voters are voting us right back into the same scenario. I am selling all my 401K assets out of the market sooner then later. We are going into a deep dark place in America. Will take years to come out of it. I will be an old man by the time it happens. At least I am white.

Alot of you Bernie supporters who believed in Bernie’s politico views are long gone. We live in a FAR RIGHT WHITE AMERICAN Government now. Trump will end all the climate change deals. He will drill all over America. Bringing back nasty dirty coal. Bernie’s progressive movement is gone. It will take years to get it back.


You still don’t get it. You Clintonistas were warned about this, but instead you continue to push the same failed policies, with the same failed candidate. Sanders would’ve wiped the floor with Trump, but instead the Democrats backed the ultimate establishment candidate. That same establishment has failed, miserably.

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From a Bernie supporter: fuck you. I saw the Trump threat clearly. That’s one of the reasons why I wanted someone who spoke to the tenor of the times instead of a tired dynasty candidate who was shoved down our throats by party insiders. At some point HRC supporters are going to have to come to their senses and realize that their - our - candidate lost because of her own flaws, and not because of faux email scandals, American sexism, Benghazi, disaffected youth, etc. All of these things may contribute, but every candidate has a mountain of shit thrown at him or her, and they are either able to overcome it, or they don’t . And if any or all of those issues, real or fake, were fatal, then she never should have been our candidate, however unfair you may find that. We don’t deserve to live with the results, but we’re stuck with President Trump and a Republican Senate.

You know, it’s because of political dead-enders like yourself that we’re in this mess. We had a potential candidate who spoke to the very real economic grievances of many Americans, but instead we chose a “safe” candidate who essential campaigned by saying “Look at how awful the other guy is” and “Vote for me, because I’ll break the glass ceiling!”. Neither or both by themselves is or are not enough to win an election. She ran against the most repugnant candidate in history and lost.

The proof is in the pudding.

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So much for all that downballot help from Clinton. Maybe using the state democratic parties to launder money back to her campaign wasn’t such a smart strategy. Way to go, Democrats.

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Do you, bitter Sander supporters and Hillary haters, even realize that you would be upset if rules were bent to accommodate Hillary if the shoe was on the other foot? If Sanders was the candidate who played by the party rules, lost to Obama 8 years ago, waited his turn and then got passed over this time by throwing the rules out the window in favor of a candidate who ran as an independent till announcing his presidential candidacy for democratic nomination? I highly doubt it! Think about it! Bending the party rules to accommodate such a candidate is what you were angry that the party did not do for Sanders! Hope you have a great four years with your next favorite candidate, the Donald, the president-elect! One more thing: If Sanders was that great, how come he did not even win the popular vote in the Dem primary?


Fuck you.

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It’s unlikely Sanders would have done any better. He couldn’t amongst American Liberals and I that speaks for itself. But right out of the chute I notice a tone and tenor from the Sanders folks that’s reminiscent of that from the Nader folks in 2000. Those guys thew an election, felt good about and then lived in the aftermath of torture, Iraq and financial collapse. The election of GW Bush caused the deaths of many Americans and an untold amount of folks around the world. But I think you’ve outdone yourself dude. This time it’s Trump. Bush was silly and chidish. Trump is outright evil.

You’ll get just as far with your “bad campaign” and “unfit candidate” as Nader did. We know what went down. And in this case you won’t have a Nader to yak crap. Bernie Sanders supported HRC.

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You don’t seem to know much. Ill be brief. Sanders was not a Democrat. He was rising the Democrat train but if you can imagine it, that Party selected one of its own to run. NO bent rules. Nothing wrong. Just one of their own. Nothing was stopping Sanders from an Indie run other that certain defeat.


We are well and truly ducked now.

But on the bright side, we can all go out and grab some posy now.

HRC lost Ia, Pa, Mi, Wi, Fl, and Oh (by 9 pts!), all of which Obama carried in ‘12. If it makes you feel better to put all the blame on stereotypic 20-something Berniebros staying home in their parents’ basement instead of voting, knock yourself out, but to be honest, you might want to consider Clinton’s own role in her defeat.

@datora @maryjohanna @haggises @mahniah

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Let’s remember that Bernie wasn’t vetted, not by Hillary who needed his supporters, and not by republicans, who wanted to run against him. We really don’t know anything about what might be in his background. Yes, a good man, with good goals, but nothing to show that he’s able to get things done.

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The whole “Clintonistas” shtick is so juvenile. Don’t hate on HRC. She ran a masterful campaign. She destroyed Donald Trump in not 1 but 3 debates, when all he had to do was show up and not urinate on the floor to win. The voters who elected Mr. Trump didn’t want someone who could use the system to get results. Instead, they wanted someone who would smash it to pieces and produce magical outcomes.

The “Sanders would’ve wiped the floor with Trump” is pure fantasy sports where you argue about which heavyweight champion would have beaten which other champion. HRC was the contender this year. She put up a good fight but she lost.