Yeah a bunch of made up shit from the right. And do you think for one second they wont do the same?
Obama was a secretive Muslim dictator etc etc.
Sanders will be a Jewish socialist plant or some shit.
Please cite (link) where he has said repeal and replace. He said he wants single payer if he gets it passed then yes he would replace ACA.
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Well that would mean, repealing it and replacing it, would it not?
I looked at what is available from Sanders, and my quick take was that he is relying on a proposal that was geared to facilitating Vermontâs now abandoned plan to combine various government and commercial health plans into a single plan. Basically, Vermont could not do it without massively increasing taxes because, basically, Vermont is too small and it could not force Medicare (for instance) to participate. The problem is that there are obviously many states that are not Vermont and would not act with the same good faith effort to implement a strong health care safety net. In addition, any proposal that functionally âendsâ Medicare is going to stoke extreme fear and paranoia in many states. The better plan is to transition to Medicare for all while making necessary reforms to Medicare. I work in this space, and from what I can see, Sanders has not really thought this through beyond the state of Vermont.
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True- but theyâve had 25 years of perfecting the art of Clinton Bashing. Only someone fully insulated in our own progressive bubble would think otherwise. And just wait until Monicaâs dress become their flag for the GOP campaign. No one inspires rightwingnut activism and political engagement more than the Clintonâs.
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If you see my comment below, I think that instead of invoking Karl Rove Sanders should respond with actual reasons why what you say is true. I donât think he has, and I donât think Clintonâs criticisms are misplaced. The response is more detail from Sanders. I donât like candidates who respond as if they are above or beyond criticism.
ability to get items through congress cut against both canndidates. (I donât think equally)
I agree it will be near impossible to get single payer through congress.
Iâm not sure congress would let Hillary get a Post Office renamed, so that argument is very besides the point.
The point is policy Goals because no president ever had an easy time with congress, even in times considered more civil than today.
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Any Democrat worth the name Democrat would replace ACA with Medicare for All.
Medicare for All has been in the Democratic Platform since Harry Truman.
Itâs was the big con - Obama & Rahm - who pulled off the crony capitalism we know as ObamaCare.
Hillary tried to pull the con when her husband was President. Hillary/ObamaCare is an insult to the Democratic Party, to voters and to citizens.
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replacing does not require repealing.
Republican only said repeal and replace because they only cared about repeal part of the goal.
Bernie says Replace because that is his goal. the English language is not that hard.
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The general election with Bernie:
The GOP uses simple low information technique. A = b, b = a.
bernie is a socialist. Socialism is what communism uses. So Bernie is a communist.
It will be a GOP landslide.
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Yes, he is attacking it. And he is making the attack a priority. Are you not listening to his speeches? I want the next president to be a Democrat who will concentrate on job creation and is tough enough to take on the Republican wreaking crew. What is the evidence that Sanders can do either of those things.
not sure I believe this.
It was a needed step which helps many (including for profit insurers), but also lays bare the problems private insurance system brings to the table.
I canât see any other way that would do both of these things. Regardless of motivations. (which of course we can only guess at)
The problem with attacks on the ACA by Sanders at this point is that they will be used by Republicans who are already dead set against it as further ammunition for repeal, without replacement. I know Sanders has a pure heart on this issue, I am not discounting that, but this is a real strategic blunder on his part IMO.
Yes, the right has been bashing and slandering the Clintons for over 20 years, so by this point I expect that theyâre fairly adept at dealing with it. That, and I donât expect that Clinton has any illusions as to how republicans work, nor how the press (mis)covers things. If, after 20+ years of near-constant attacks and (bogus) investigations, Iâd say that Hillary is battle-tested, a fairly known quantity, and not really easily âdefinedâ by republicans since sheâs already very well known to the public.
Bernieâs a relative unknown and thus far republicans want him doing well to weaken Hillary (and have their own problems to deal with), so thereâs been no effort to focus the right-wing slime machine at him. That doesnât mean that Bernie wouldnât do well regardless, itâs just that heâs a much bigger gamble so far as these things go.
Very true, and they will use honest campaign techniques against Hillary.
her likeability and trustworthy numbers say differently. Even with many DemocratsâŚ
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Worse than trashing single payer? (note Medicare is single payer).
This trashed a 60+ year goal of the party and a 50 year old success story (medicare) at the same time.
now that is some strategeryâŚ
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20 years ago, even 10 years ago that might be true. But those generations that feared the socialist boogey man the worst are more or less gone.
Regardless nothing inspires Republican voter turn-out more assuredly than a Clinton on the ticket. And whether you have the courage to face the truth or not, the public in general has soured on political dynasties and the establishment stranglehold. As the poll numbers in Iowa and new Hampshire clearly demonstrate.
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Her attacks on single payer and Bernie are nonsensical and disingenuous. But I agree that he should release details on his single payer plan, including the financing. The delay in releasing these details does not justify or excuse Hillaryâs deceitful and regressive criticisms of the very concept of single payer. But it does create an opening for it.
Even if this was not the case, Bernie had previously pledged to release the details before the Iowa caucuses, and ought to keep that promise or admit that heâs breaking that promise. and explain why.
Meanwhile, the reason Hillary doesnât have to defend her plan to achieve universal health care isâŚshe doesnât have one.
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As the country starts to pay attention like NH (and IA), the national numbers are moving similarly.
I think the Clinton camp is starting to see what happened in 2007/2008 repeat itself, or fear that it could.
Their response seems to me to be largely frowned upon by even many die hard HRC supporters here and in other forums like dkos.
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