This may end up being messy, but I think it’s important to go ahead with it for two reasons:
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If there is a problem with the vote in Wisconsin (and this applies to Michigan and Pennsylvania as well), it’s important to uncover and document it, even if it is too late to alter the end result. That at least would show where we need to direct efforts to affect the integrity of the vote. And if there is no problem with the vote after all, it is important to document that, too.
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One of the arguments that is used in favor of retaining the electoral college to elect the president rather than going by the actual popular vote (one which has never made much sense to me) is that it would avoid the messy recounts that could result from dependence on a national popular vote. I would like to see that argument blown away.
Trump’s inauguration is the end…
Thank God for Jill Stein, Democrats would never have had the balls to do this. Look at North Carolina and what Pat McCrory is doing there, he knows he lost but still fights to wound his opponent. Democrats need a little more of that kind of fight.
Well I agree with you on principle but it isn’t too late. The Electoral College doesn’t vote until later in December. There is plenty of time.
Who cares, sometime its the fight that’s important, not the outcome.
An important part of the solution for all our voting woes is nation-wide mail in. It would block any efforts by the GOP to discourage turnout and would eliminate long lines on voting day. It also leaves a paper trail. It has worked great here in Oregon for years and actually increases voter participation. It’s literally a crime that it hasn’t been instituted nation-wide.
Don’t be defeatist
How will this change anything?
It won’t change anything unless the vote was hacked.
Nevertheless the Electoral College could still theoretically refuse to ratify the vote
How is fighting the fight no matter the outcome, defeatist?
Could show the need to go back to paper ballots. The only reason we don’t use them is because we are impatient and want the results by the time of the 10:00pm news on election night.
It changes the perception of Democrats as pussies who will bend over and take whatever the Right Wing wants to give them. No body wants to back a loser and all too often Democrats are perceived as losers.
Trump reversed himself less than a month before the election, and said he would reverse Obama unless Cuba met demands including “religious and political freedom for the Cuban people and the freeing of political prisoners.”
In the interests of parsimony , AP, he lied.
I’m sure Clinton will respect the outcome of the election whether she wins the electoral vote or not. That vote has yet to be certified and tallied of course.
To a cardboard castle easily crushed by an FBI boot, er field agent report.
I’m reminded of a little feral black cat that I loved.
She was street smart and tough and so loving once she learned to trust…but, a car crushed her.
We moved to the country, an upscale neighborhood, and I met a big orange tabby that had been a pet once.
I loved her but she would never enter our home, fearing the past no doubt.
We made her a little house on the porch in a particularly grueling winter and she survived the cold.
But, an upscale neighbor poisoned her that spring.
She crawled to our house and died in my arms.
I’ve been thinking about those cats a lot…
Ok this is weird, I must have inadvertently zapped my post but basically this recount is important and worthwhile because it shows we’re insisting that the vote be sound and aboveboard. The GOP has been slamming away at the very practice of democracy for a while now, and their latest candidate campaigned against every right we have under the Constitution. The recount says we’re insisting on the fundamental right to have our votes counted legitimately. Without that, if we just shrug when it’s close and there is any doubt, then we can’t do self-government. People have to have that confidence. It’s not a futile effort to change the result, it’s like checking the bill at a restaurant or having a lawyer read a contract before you sign it. It’s a demonstration that you’re going to insist on your basic rights. That seems important right now.
I get what you’re saying. You feel helpless when a creature you love dies that way. But look at what you did—you were a protector, a helper, a friend to those cats. We can’t stamp out cruelty and stupidity and the random hazards of existence, unfortunately. But we can help each other, the way you do. Plus which there are lessons to learn from cats, I’ve always thought, about how you can be loving at home and fierce out in the world when it’s needed. And smart all the time. I kind of like cats.
“While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve,” Trump said.
Given the middle-school-level sentence construction is about four grades too high for Trump, he obviously did not actually say this himself.