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I fully recognize I’m biased here, but does anyone think that Hillary got the upper hand on this issue? I don’t.
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I do, but i am also bias. But saying your going to do massive change to healthcare and put in taxes, whatever your idea is, is just going to be easy fodder for attack in the general.
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No. There are still tons of people without health insurance. Costs are a huge problem.
She saying the status quo is the way to go. It’s still a problem, so don’t know how she won this.
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Expanding medicare couldn’t be a more easy way to go.
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Is that the plan? I just took a look at what they put on their website and in the details section doesn’t sound like thats what they are doing. Sounds like the plan is to remove all other plans and replace it with one federal plan. And have a bunch of taxes to pay for it. Sure that sounds really really easy to pass in setup.
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Yes, I agree. You are biased here. As our previous discussion shows, you were pre conceived to think Sanders won this particular part of the debate no matter what was said.
Sanders released a plan two hours before the debate. So it couldn’t be studied or prepared for. Not exactly the high handed tactics I keep hearing that Sanders is all about…dumping something so it can’t be discussed yet still giving him the out of saying “I released it before the debate”.
Sort of like saying he campaigned vigorously for Obama in 2008 and 2012. IN 2008 he got on board after Obama won the nomination. In 2012 he repeatedly suggested that a progressive candidate needed to primary Obama. So apparently, par for the course.
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Bernie’s up on the high wire with this plan, but if he can explain it in the right way to the electorate it should be a big advantage as HRC wants to stick with the status quo. And in so doing she can’t cling to Bernie’s three decades of advocacy and say there’s no difference between our views. It’s insulting but that doesn’t matter now, does it.
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The disclaimer at the beginning is a dead giveaway. Just sayin.
I don’t think she’s saying that at all. She has proposals on how to expand it.
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And previously Sanders wanted NO federal plan, just federal guidelines on states for setting up single payer.
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Like I said, I admit my bias. Can you see yours?
I think Clinton did very well overall, and I think she got the better of him on the gun control issue. I think he got the better of her in this exchange on health care, and in the exchange over Wall Street, but like I said, I realize I’m biased. Which makes me curious how others see it.
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That was the idea.
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Obama hinted at unicorns. Sanders more or less promises the political equivalent of two unicorns in every garage. What I find particularly aggravating is that Clinton will be able to obtain far more of what we want than Sanders will.
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so unicorns for all, is what you’re saying…
Her previous tack on this - reflected in Mitchell’s question on taxes, which is no doubt what a Republican would run with - was fairly ridiculous, but I think she did pretty well in rebutting him here. I don’t think you can really say either got the upper hand; I doubt anyone was convinced to change sides by either. Clinton solidified my pre-existing belief that trying to implement a single-payer system now is a pointless exercise, as it sounds like Sanders did for yours.
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The plain fact is Medicare for all is the right solution. It’s common sense. It’s equivalent works fine in many many other places. The massive redundancy of the private insurance industry is a waste of all kinds of resources. The math majors employed as actuaries could be working on solving our real problems instead of serving corrupt corporate vice presidents of marketing. Obamacare was a nice gesture, but it’s silly by comparison, and now we know health care reform is possible, we should just finish the job. We didn’t leave the Axis powers standing (except Franco, but nevermind that), we shouldn’t leave the private health insurance industry intact either. It is a cancer eating our society.
If Sanders can’t muster the political will to actually achieve single payer, we’ll still have the ACA until the true breakthrough can be made, but Clinton’s parochial and clearly corrupted vision would curse us with much less than what is truly possible.
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The woman who is taking more from the healthcare industry than all the other candidates combined is not about to do anything, which is pretty much exactly what she said in this debate.
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And previously Hillary wanted different things for healthcare too. So what?
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She won’t be able to obtain anything, really. You thought they obstructed Obama? You’ve seen nothing.
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